From: Becky and Kirk <bandk_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Jul 21 21:30:21 2004
Amen! Adam who are these people!
> Dear Adam and List: I encourage you to at a minimum to name names, and better yet file lawsuits if you truly have cases of fraud. This will help clean up the business and create a climate of less fraud within the business. Also, by duing so you will eliminate some of the scum that operates within the business of meteorites and the passion of most of the members of our list. You have the legal responsibility to do so that others do not suffer the same fate. Best endevours. Please do us the favor. Let the chips fall!!
> Sincerely, Dirk Ross.....Tokyo
> Even if a dealer passes a "hot potato" he/she should take the responsibility to make things right and not just pass the buck on to the person who sold them the bogus material. dr
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 3:17:00 AM +0900 (JST)
> Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > Dear Dave and List,
> > The reason I am so upset about fraud is that it directly affects the value
> > of our collection and takes some of the fun away from the avocation. I will
> > give you a few examples:
> > I recently traded with a well known and somewhat respected dealer. After
> > analyzing the material he sent I was disappointed to find it was not what he
> > reported it to be. When confronted he claimed another well known dealer
> > sold it to him. I called the other dealer to let him know what he was
> > distributing was bogus. He said the other dealer made it up. Now, I do not
> > know which one is telling the truth so I will no longer do business with
> > either one.
> > We had yet another well known dealer try to illegally interfere with one of
> > our auctions by calling the auction house and claiming part ownership in one
> > of our specimens even though we paid 100% for the specimen and have had
> > clear title since the beginning. The only motivation I can see for this is
> > pure greed and lack of a moral compass.
> > Total Known Weights, when reported on ebay are inaccurate about 38% of the
> > time.
> > Pairings, some of which are not correct, are being made by sight alone with
> > no scientific input.
> > Some people continue to sell terrestrial or man-made objects as meteorites
> > when they know differently.
> > Meteorites are being sold as main masses when they do not fit the criteria
> > even when known pairings of greater weight are known. When something is
> > assigned a different Name or Number even though it is paired does not make
> > it a main mass.
> > I am hoping my message will get to those who are committing fraud and help
> > stop this destructive practice but experience tells me otherwise. I should
> > not get too much into the negative aspect of this hobby and maybe I should
> > be pointing out who is, in my opinion, doing an honest job.
> > All the best,
> > Adam
> > ---- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Harris" <entropydave_at_ntlworld.com>
> > To: "metlist" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:08 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] curious....
> > > Hi,
> > > Having just read Adam Hupe's firm action for meteorite fraudsters, I was
> > > wondering why no one has commented on it, and does he have some
> > information
> > > he should be sharing with us? I have never heard either of the
> > Magnificent
> > > Hupes speak in such strong rhetoric!!
> > >
> > > Curiously...
> > > dave
> > >
> > > IMCA #0092
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