[meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth
From: Charlie Devine <moonrock25_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:03 2004 Message-ID: <27027-4009B004-467_at_storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-2303-269 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Dear Adam, Norbert, Ken and list: Adam, what you're saying is what I was told as well. But it was certainly a revelation to me, until I asked myself "who would prosecute an INDIVIDUAL if he or she collected meteorites in Antarctica?" And I guess the answer is indeed nobody! But, I was also told that individuals from private expedition cruises were doing the collecting. I have no idea how close to the coast any meteorite fields may be, but while expensive, Antarctic cruise prices seem to be within financial reach of many people, and not just those for who $50,000 is a pittance. I checked a few websites for Antarctic cruises and several do arrange for smaller groups of 15 people or less to travel inland as far as 3-4 hours will take them to camp out. This can hardly amount to a serious "threat" to the scientific parties down there. I imagine any list member contemplating going on such a cruise would want to check the exact geographic itinerary of these cruises and pick one that might be more interesting then others. As for the ethics, I'm conflicted about it, but that's par for the course for me. Legal it is. Regards, Charlie --WebTV-Mail-2303-269 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-3218.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.182) by storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by smtpin-3218.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 6BA2F11DF6; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E20535FE; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:04:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: meteorite-list_at_pairlist.net Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B77535FE for <meteorite-list_at_lists.meteoritecentral.com>; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53628 invoked by uid 7111); 17 Jan 2004 19:56:59 -0000 Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:com-meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Received: (qmail 53313 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2004 19:56:47 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (204.127.202.56) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2004 19:56:47 -0000 Received: from c1720188a (12-230-219-210.client.attbi.com[12.230.219.210]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040117195613012006ab0ve>; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <026d01c3dd30$c101df80$d2dbe60c_at_attbi.com> From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net> To: "magellon" <magellon_at_earthlink.net> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> References: <26694-40098248-948_at_storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> <400985EC.F2AE6FA8@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com Errors-To: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com X-BeenThere: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> List-Subscribe: <http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>, <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum <meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>, <mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0800 X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Hi Ken and List Members, I read the same thing some time ago. What keeps dealers and collectors from going to Antarctica is the cost of logistics. Flying in shelter, food, snowmobiles, communications, medical supplies and cold weather gear would be extremely expensive not to mention travel costs just getting there. Some group was offering the chance to search for about $50,000.00 per a person a couple of years ago, no thanks! It would probably be half this amount to go to Greenland, a prime virgin territory. The treaty regarding the Antarctic finds only relates to the scientific communities of several countries and not individuals as I understand it. More importantly, the scientist in that article made it sound like a sin that private individuals are allowed to collect and own meteorites. I do not see any grant money going towards looking for these meteorites in the hot desert so I see no reason for any complaints. After all, the Sahara would not be out performing Antarctica if private money was not involved. Just look out how much planetary material has been coming out of the hot desert in the last five years. All the best, Adam Hupe ----- Original Message ----- From: "magellon" <magellon_at_earthlink.net> To: "Charlie Devine" <moonrock25_at_webtv.net>; <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth > Charlie, > Amazing! Well done! > (Hupes are now packing their thermal underwear:>) > Best, > Ken > > Charlie Devine wrote: > > > Hard to believe I'm the only one interested in an answer to this curious > > statement by a scientist who collects meteorites in Antarctica. But I > > did a little digging and got the answer. It is perfectly legal for > > private parties to collect meteorites in Antarctica. > > Regards, > > Charlie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Finding Bits Of Mars On Earth > > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:18 -0500 (EST) > > From: moonrock25_at_webtv.net (Charlie Devine) > > To: baalke_at_zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) > > CC: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) > > > > Ron and list, > > > > Towards the end of this article, one of the scientists expresses concern > > that private expeditions will beat the scientific expeditions back to > > the LaPaz ice field next year. He is quoted as saying: "The expeditions > > who use our information to help a tourist pick up a meteorite and lock > > it away in a private collection, it's a travesty to me.' How long has > > this been going on? Is it gong on? I thought the Antarctic was off > > limits to private hunters? > > Regards, > > Charlie > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --WebTV-Mail-2303-269-- Received on Sat 17 Jan 2004 04:58:28 PM PST |
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