[meteorite-list] Help me solve a mystery - NWA mystery

From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:28 2004
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NachrichtDear Bernhard and List,

I very rarely comment from images alone as it is very difficult to =
assess stones from pictures. The shape suggests a water worn pebble =
more than an ablative process to me. If the refractive material were =
meteorite metal you would get more of pull from a magnet judging from =
the amount present. The things I look for are a valid fusion crust, =
proper shape, nickel-iron metal, shock indications and how the stone =
weathered. I see nothing that indicates a meteorite to me but I have =
been surprised a few times in the past. Very interesting stone whatever =
it turns out to be.

All the best,

Adam


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems=20
  To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:38 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Help me solve a mystery - NWA mystery


  Hi,

  app. 2 weeks ago, Steve Arnold (Illinois) sold a "mystery NWA" on =
ebay. This is the text that came with the auction (as often with Steve, =
no pic):

  "Up here for auction is a mystery.This is a 134.9 gram whole stone =
that has been cut by AL LANG.It is a unclassified NWA mystery stone.I =
had bob haag,richard norton,al lang,ed thompson,blaine reed, and a few =
others give thier opinion on what it might be.No one knows.It has a very =
rich dark brown matrix.Very few or none at all with chondrules.High in =
metal, but it pulls very weakly even with a strong magnet.You can be the =
lucky winner of this mystery stone and you can try and get it =
classified.It measures 6.5 cm x 5.2 cm x 3.8 cm.I will start the bidding =
at $1.00. Good luck."

  Well, I bidded and won the item. Today it arrived. I had a closer look =
at it, took some photographs and am looking for your expertise now.

  Let me describe the tactile impressions: The item is feels pretty cold =
when you hold it, and it has about the right weight for a meteorite of =
this size. However: the outside feels quite "soft", more like an =
ordinary stone than a meteorite, like a pebble that has been in the =
water.

  There is indeed a lot of metal visible from the outside, but on the =
cut surface, the deeper you go inside, the less metal you find. A close =
examination with a 10x magnification showed no chondrules at all, at =
least for me.=20

  Here are three photos of the object (they are quite large in order to =
reveal more details). I have brightened the photos and added some =
contrast and some mild sharpening, but I'd say they are true to the =
visual appearance of the object:

  http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery1.jpg
  http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery2.jpg
  http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery3.jpg

  So - what's your impression? Is it a meteorite at all? What is it?

  Bernhard
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Bernhard and List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I very rarely comment from images alone =
as it is=20
very difficult to assess stones from pictures.&nbsp; The shape suggests =
a water=20
worn pebble more than an ablative process to me.&nbsp;If the refractive =
material=20
were meteorite metal you would get more of pull from a magnet judging =
from the=20
amount present.&nbsp; The things I look for are a valid fusion crust, =
proper=20
shape, nickel-iron metal, shock indications and how the stone =
weathered.&nbsp; I=20
see nothing that indicates a meteorite to me but I have been surprised a =
few=20
times in the past.&nbsp; Very interesting stone whatever it turns out to =

be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adam</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Drendelius_at_rpgdot.com =
href=3D"mailto:rendelius_at_rpgdot.com">Bernhard=20
  "Rendelius" Rems</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 26, =
2004 1:38=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] Help =
me solve a=20
  mystery - NWA mystery</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>app. =
2 weeks ago,=20
  Steve Arnold (Illinois) sold a "mystery NWA" on ebay. This is the text =
that=20
  came with the auction (as often with Steve, no =
pic):</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004>"Up here for auction is a =
mystery.This is=20
  a 134.9 gram whole stone that has been cut by AL LANG.It is a =
unclassified NWA=20
  mystery stone.I had bob haag,richard norton,al lang,ed thompson,blaine =
reed,=20
  and a few others give thier opinion on what it might be.No one =
knows.It has a=20
  very rich dark brown matrix.Very few or none at all with =
chondrules.High in=20
  metal, but it pulls very weakly even with a strong magnet.You can be =
the lucky=20
  winner of this mystery stone and you can try and get it classified.It =
measures=20
  6.5 cm x 5.2 cm x 3.8 cm.I will start the bidding at $1.00. Good=20
  luck."</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Well, I bidded and=20
  won the item. Today it arrived. I had a closer look at it, took some=20
  photographs and am looking for your expertise now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let =
me describe=20
  the tactile impressions: The item is feels pretty cold when you hold =
it, and=20
  it has about the right weight for a meteorite of this size. However: =
the=20
  outside feels quite "soft", more like an ordinary stone than a =
meteorite, like=20
  a pebble that has been in the water.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>There is indeed a=20
  lot of metal visible from the outside, but on the cut surface, the =
deeper you=20
  go inside, the less metal you find. A close examination with a 10x=20
  magnification showed no chondrules at all, at least for me.=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here =
are three=20
  photos of the object (they are quite large in order to reveal more =
details). I=20
  have brightened the photos and added some contrast and some mild =
sharpening,=20
  but I'd say they are true to the visual appearance of the=20
  object:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery1.jpg">http://metcollect=
or.rendelius.com/mystery1.jpg</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery2.jpg">http://metcollect=
or.rendelius.com/mystery2.jpg</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://metcollector.rendelius.com/mystery3.jpg">http://metcollect=
or.rendelius.com/mystery3.jpg</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So - =
what's your=20
  impression? Is it a meteorite at all? What is it?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D390122321-26022004><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Bernhard</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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