[meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Aug 24 15:28:29 2004
Message-ID: <016501c48a0f$431af840$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Hello again Mike and List,

Are you saying you left those Mundrabillas behind that you imaged in situ
and that you did not illegally remove material from India? Mike, a smart
thing for you to do is stay out of controversies as you clearly take each
and every one of them personally, something a guilty person would do. The
anonymous parties did leave references behind and were fairly thorough about
the Mountain finds being a myth.

Since this string is headed in an unexpected direction and is turning ugly I
will step out.

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?


> EXCUSE ME, Australia? what do you know about my trip to Australia? What do
> you know ADAM? TELL US ALL Now since you just accused me of committing a
> crime. This is beyond reproach. Again, what might I ask do you know about
my
> trip to Australia.
> Adam, this is not acceptible. How dare you, were you there? Do you know
what
> I did? Do you PRETEND to know what I brought back from Australia? DO YOU?
> And might We all ask, HOW do you know such thing, when I have been home
all
> of 3 days?
> Adam, moment of truth like Dumbya had yesterday, tell us how you know
> something about my Australia trip? Ill bet you that you dont.
> Michael Farmer
> One pissed off guy right now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
>
>
> > Hi Mike and List,
> >
> > The Campo thing has being going on for years and I thought it was time
to
> > clarify things because I was considering going there. I respect the
laws
> > governing meteorites and no I am not sitting a load of Campo. What I
have
> > in my inventory amounts to less than half a kilo. To be honest, I do
not
> > know its legal status because it was purchased at auction in Tucson.
Mike
> > just because you do not care about laws as your past record demonstrates
> in
> > India and now Australia is no reason for you to jump to conclusions
> > regarding my status.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; "dean bessey"
> > <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
> >
> >
> > > Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies
up
> > > every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this?
As
> a
> > > person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any
> > > controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at
> least
> > 4
> > > or 5 years.
> > > So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to
start
> > > selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while
everyone
> > > else sells "Stolen Campos"?
> > >
> > > I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and
> these
> > > "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break.
> > >
> > > Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an
argument
> > > where there was none?
> > > My two cents.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Dean and List,
> > > >
> > > > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because
> of
> > > the
> > > > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground
> and
> > > they
> > > > do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak,
> just
> > > > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share
this
> > > > information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another
is
> an
> > > > author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do
> not
> > > > forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List,
choose
> > not
> > > > to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial
subjects
> > > > because of their careers.
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source.
> > > > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at
> > > > > customs.
> > > > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get
> > > > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy).
> > > > > You might need somebody to translate it to english but
> > > > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and
> > > > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names
> > > > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately
> > > > > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield.
> > > > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June
> > > > > on this list where he went to some serious
> > > > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of
> > > > > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some
> > > > > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce
> > > > > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was
> > > > > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert
> > > > > glass.
> > > > > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any
> > > > > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they
> > > > > made to Adam and then request that they remain
> > > > > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell
> > > > > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of
> > > > > argentnian laws from us".
> > > > > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the
> > > > > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites.
> > > > > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in
> > > > > meteorites.
> > > > > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not
> > > > > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the
> > > > > pellisons know.
> > > > > These "annonumous" sources have about as much
> > > > > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the
> > > > > past few years.
> > > > > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me
> > > > > that an intelligent and sane person and serious
> > > > > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some
> > > > > annonomous individual sending them an email saying
> > > > > that something is illegal so stay away rather than
> > > > > making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I
> > > > > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million
> > > > > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because
> > > > > he contacted me out of the blue via email from some
> > > > > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in
> > > > > touch with any list member interested in helping him
> > > > > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out
> > > > > the exact law concerning this activity.
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > DEAN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to thank those who responded to my
> > > > > > inquiry about old versus new
> > > > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and
> > > > > > thought this locality might
> > > > > > have been worth investigating but have since changed
> > > > > > my mind. Below are a
> > > > > > set of responses that best address this issue. The
> > > > > > authors would like to
> > > > > > remain anonymous so I left their names out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***********************************************
> > > > > > Email #1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both
> > > > > > counts. Illegal exportation
> > > > > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is
> > > > > > basically flat and the
> > > > > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in
> > > > > > Cassiday's various
> > > > > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km
> > > > > > down-range are repeated,
> > > > > > but have never been evidenced. The difference
> > > > > > between 'new' and 'old' Campos
> > > > > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens
> > > > > > recovered 1962-73 are both
> > > > > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the
> > > > > > craters are 'new'; those
> > > > > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers'
> > > > > > fields are 'old'. Repeated
> > > > > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its
> > > > > > toll. Cassiday used a
> > > > > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the
> > > > > > increasing demand by collectors -
> > > > > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors
> > > > > > are being used in
> > > > > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable.
> > > > > > Not all of the 'new'
> > > > > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to
> > > > > > be found at shallow
> > > > > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is
> > > > > > subject to sheet
> > > > > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is
> > > > > > limited to shallow
> > > > > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the
> > > > > > slopes of which might be
> > > > > > miss translated as mountain-sides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in
> > > > > > diameter and masses ~
> > > > > > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and
> > > > > > suggests that many more
> > > > > > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy
> > > > > > et, al. I was only able
> > > > > > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its
> > > > > > recovery down-range is
> > > > > > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is
> > > > > > probably the Campo del
> > > > > > Cielo main mass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ****************************************************
> > > > > > Another Note:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the
> > > > > > same that the one of the
> > > > > > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near
> > > > > > the surface, so them
> > > > > > intensely undergone the effects of the
> > > > > > meteorization, mainly the humidity.
> > > > > > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its
> > > > > > regmagliptes and have a
> > > > > > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear
> > > > > > when the zone was
> > > > > > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously
> > > > > > the espec?mentes were
> > > > > > found on the surface or raised when the fields were
> > > > > > plowed.
> > > > > > The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km.
> > > > > > But it has an area of
> > > > > > approximately 1500 hectares where the greater
> > > > > > concentration is verified.
> > > > > > Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80
> > > > > > km, because stories
> > > > > > exist on the denominated "Mes?n de Fierro", probably
> > > > > > situated 70 km to the
> > > > > > NE of the main site. But until today it was not
> > > > > > verified.
> > > > > >
> > > > > *******************************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you found this information to be as
> > > > > > interesting as I did,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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