[meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
From: dean bessey <deanbessey_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Aug 24 15:14:08 2004
You know, here is something that is interesting. Two
or Three years ago Mike Farmer was into an exact
identical arguement on this list when he was selling
Campos by the Ton (His claim) and somebody (I dont
remember who) started claiming that they were illegal
and a fight broke out on this list involving Campos
with farmer on the defensive. I dont remember exactly
how but I was somehow involved in the fight to (Not
because me and farmer ever had opposing views I am
But anyway, during this time I got two emails (One
even from Brazil) from people in south america asking
me to send an annomomous email to the met list but not
tell who they were because (In the case of the
brazilian person) they were being watched by some
secret meteorite police who were watching and were out
to get them and that if word got out who they were
they would never be herd from again (Which according
to them happens a lot in south America).
Sounds to me like history is repeating itself again
with new warnings (Although likely with new secret
meteorite preservationists because surely the ones
from three years ago have been found by now, had their
fingernails pulled out and dumped at 3am from a
helicopter over shark infested waters).
Come on Wake up.
No scientists or anybody who wants to preserve an
academic reputation is going to secretly email anybody
with vague warnings without backing up their warning
with the exact laws that they are using to base their
A respectable scientist (Or government official) is
not going to be to chicken scared to put their name on
the line when warning people about valid laws from
their country that they are only repeating (and not
--- Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these
> weird controversies up
> every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the
> blue, now this? As a
> person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't
> know of any
> controversy, and till your email, never saw any on
> this list for at least 4
> or 5 years.
> So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you
> getting ready to start
> selling them, prepping the market for your "legal
> Campos" while everyone
> else sells "Stolen Campos"?
> I just find this non-existent controversy to be
> complete idiocy, and these
> "sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a
> Why start this up out of the blue for no reason?
> Why start an argument
> where there was none?
> My two cents.
> Michael Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth
> > Hi Dean and List,
> > The anonymous people you are talking about wish to
> remain so because of
> > controversy surrounding Campos. The List can
> become a battleground and
> > do not want to take part in the fray. This does
> not make them weak, just
> > responsible. They, none the less, felt it was
> important to share this
> > information. One of the sources is a well known
> scientist, another is an
> > author on the subject and the third is a respected
> List member. Do not
> > forget that a great deal of respectable people
> follow the List, choose not
> > to share and understandably want to stay out of
> controversial subjects
> > because of their careers.
> > All the best,
> > Adam
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth
> > > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous"
> > > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at
> > > customs.
> > > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy
> to get
> > > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the
> > > You might need somebody to translate it to
> english but
> > > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact
> > > being to pussy scared into mentioning their
> > > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to
> > > scare you away from looking over their
> > > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant
> last June
> > > on this list where he went to some serious
> > > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented
> one of
> > > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as
> > > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the
> > > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it
> > > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan
> > > glass.
> > > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any
> > > ulterior motive would make the declarations that
> > > made to Adam and then request that they remain
> > > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont
> > > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy
> > > argentnian laws from us".
> > > There was a new world wide law passed lately.
> Only the
> > > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites.
> > > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal
> > > meteorites.
> > > The pellisons have told everybody this but we
> are not
> > > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the
> > > pellisons know.
> > > These "annonumous" sources have about as much
> > > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants
> over the
> > > past few years.
> > > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd
> to me
> > > that an intelligent and sane person and serious
> > > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some
> > > annonomous individual sending them an email
> > > that something is illegal so stay away rather
> > > making a quick phone call to the countries
> embassy. I
> > > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two
> > > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true
> > > he contacted me out of the blue via email from
> > > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him
> > > touch with any list member interested in helping
> > > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find
> > > the exact law concerning this activity.
> > > Sincerely
> > > DEAN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > >
> > > > Dear List,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to thank those who responded to
> > > > inquiry about old versus new
> > > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and
> > > > thought this locality might
> > > > have been worth investigating but have since
> > > > my mind. Below are a
> > > > set of responses that best address this issue.
> > > > authors would like to
> > > > remain anonymous so I left their names out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Email #1
> > > >
> > > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both
> > > > counts. Illegal exportation
> > > > and there are no mountainside finds. The
> terrain is
> > > > basically flat and the
> > > > strewn field is shorter and wider than
> presented in
> > > > Cassiday's various
> > > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery
> 70-80 km
> > > > down-range are repeated,
> > > > but have never been evidenced. The difference
> > > > between 'new' and 'old' Campos
> > > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens
> > > > recovered 1962-73 are both
> > > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the
> > > > craters are 'new'; those
> > > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers'
> > > > fields are 'old'. Repeated
> > > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has
> taken its
> > > > toll. Cassiday used a
> > > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the
> > > > increasing demand by collectors -
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Received on Tue 24 Aug 2004 03:14:00 PM PDT