[meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Aug 24 14:55:29 2004
Message-ID: <000601c48a0b$ec7db070$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

Are you joking Adam? Why do you keep making these weird controversies up
every week? I saw the Amgala one come up out of the blue, now this? As a
person who has sold literally TONS of campo, I don't know of any
controversy, and till your email, never saw any on this list for at least 4
or 5 years.
So why did this start up all of a sudden? Are you getting ready to start
selling them, prepping the market for your "legal Campos" while everyone
else sells "Stolen Campos"?

I just find this non-existent controversy to be complete idiocy, and these
"sources who want to remain anonymous" give me a break.

Why start this up out of the blue for no reason? Why start an argument
where there was none?
My two cents.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?


> Hi Dean and List,
>
> The anonymous people you are talking about wish to remain so because of
the
> controversy surrounding Campos. The List can become a battleground and
they
> do not want to take part in the fray. This does not make them weak, just
> responsible. They, none the less, felt it was important to share this
> information. One of the sources is a well known scientist, another is an
> author on the subject and the third is a respected List member. Do not
> forget that a great deal of respectable people follow the List, choose not
> to share and understandably want to stay out of controversial subjects
> because of their careers.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Campo -Myth Busted?
>
>
> > I wouldent trust some "Unknown annoyonamous" source.
> > Lets see that stand up in court or argue it at
> > customs.
> > It is pretty easy to read a law and pretty easy to get
> > a copy of any law in argentina (Just ask the embassy).
> > You might need somebody to translate it to english but
> > anybody who is making a blind statement of fact and
> > being to pussy scared into mentioning their names
> > sounds to me more likely sombody trying to privately
> > scare you away from looking over their strewnfield.
> > Sort of reminds me of Keith Littleton's rant last June
> > on this list where he went to some serious
> > archaeologists and deliberately misrepresented one of
> > Mark Bostics auctions of Libyan Desert Glass as some
> > ancient egyptian artifact and then from the responce
> > concerning ancient artifacts declared that it was
> > illegal to export unworked pieces of libyan desert
> > glass.
> > It makes no sense to me why somebody without any
> > ulterior motive would make the declarations that they
> > made to Adam and then request that they remain
> > annonamous. If you contact the embassy they wont tell
> > you to "Not tell anybody that you got this copy of
> > argentnian laws from us".
> > There was a new world wide law passed lately. Only the
> > pellisons are permitted to deal in meteorites.
> > Everybody else by decree are not allowed to deal in
> > meteorites.
> > The pellisons have told everybody this but we are not
> > sure what authority issued it. Seems only the
> > pellisons know.
> > These "annonumous" sources have about as much
> > credibility as keith and the Pellisons rants over the
> > past few years.
> > Maybe its just me. But somehow it just seems odd to me
> > that an intelligent and sane person and serious
> > meteorite hunter would plan trips around some
> > annonomous individual sending them an email saying
> > that something is illegal so stay away rather than
> > making a quick phone call to the countries embassy. I
> > have a friend who is trying to get twenty two million
> > dollars out of Nigeria. I know this to be true because
> > he contacted me out of the blue via email from some
> > internet cafe last night. Maybe I should put him in
> > touch with any list member interested in helping him
> > out. Just dont call the nigerian embassy to find out
> > the exact law concerning this activity.
> > Sincerely
> > DEAN
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List,
> > >
> > > I would like to thank those who responded to my
> > > inquiry about old versus new
> > > Campos. I am looking to explore new areas and
> > > thought this locality might
> > > have been worth investigating but have since changed
> > > my mind. Below are a
> > > set of responses that best address this issue. The
> > > authors would like to
> > > remain anonymous so I left their names out.
> > >
> > > ***********************************************
> > > Email #1
> > >
> > > Your "well informed source" is correct on both
> > > counts. Illegal exportation
> > > and there are no mountainside finds. The terrain is
> > > basically flat and the
> > > strewn field is shorter and wider than presented in
> > > Cassiday's various
> > > papers. The reports of a specimen recovery 70-80 km
> > > down-range are repeated,
> > > but have never been evidenced. The difference
> > > between 'new' and 'old' Campos
> > > is the depth of recovery. Cassiday's specimens
> > > recovered 1962-73 are both
> > > 'new' and 'old'. Recovered at depth within the
> > > craters are 'new'; those
> > > recovered from surface ejecta or from farmers'
> > > fields are 'old'. Repeated
> > > irrigation and the use of fertilizers has taken its
> > > toll. Cassiday used a
> > > WW2 metal detector in his search. With the
> > > increasing demand by collectors -
> > > beginning about 1989 - much more powerful detectors
> > > are being used in
> > > recovery; the deeper recoveries being more stable.
> > > Not all of the 'new'
> > > specimens are stable as some specimens continue to
> > > be found at shallow
> > > depths. The extremely flat surface of the region is
> > > subject to sheet
> > > deposition 1-2 cm/100 yr (think Kansas). Runoff is
> > > limited to shallow
> > > depressions and occasional shallow channels; the
> > > slopes of which might be
> > > miss translated as mountain-sides.
> > >
> > > The pre-entry meteoroid is estimated to be ~ 3 m in
> > > diameter and masses ~
> > > 840,000 kg (Lieberman, et al., in MAPS Feb 2002) and
> > > suggests that many more
> > > specimens will be smuggled out in the coming years.
> > >
> > > Other than the variously published photos by Cassidy
> > > et, al. I was only able
> > > to locate photos of the "Haag" specimen. Its
> > > recovery down-range is
> > > consistent with aerial break-up scenarios and is
> > > probably the Campo del
> > > Cielo main mass.
> > >
> > > ****************************************************
> > > Another Note:
> > >
> > > The place where the "New Campos" are found is the
> > > same that the one of the
> > > "Old Campos". The difference is the "old" are near
> > > the surface, so them
> > > intensely undergone the effects of the
> > > meteorization, mainly the humidity.
> > > The "new" are deeper so that them could conserve its
> > > regmagliptes and have a
> > > greater stability. The "New Campos" began to appear
> > > when the zone was
> > > released with powerful metal detectors. Previously
> > > the espec?mentes were
> > > found on the surface or raised when the fields were
> > > plowed.
> > > The Campo del Cielo strewn field has 45km by 15km.
> > > But it has an area of
> > > approximately 1500 hectares where the greater
> > > concentration is verified.
> > > Many authors affirm that the strewn field reaches 80
> > > km, because stories
> > > exist on the denominated "Mes?n de Fierro", probably
> > > situated 70 km to the
> > > NE of the main site. But until today it was not
> > > verified.
> > >
> > *******************************************************
> > >
> > > I hope you found this information to be as
> > > interesting as I did,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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