[meteorite-list] Amgala allegatons: fact or fancy?

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon Aug 9 02:26:09 2004
Message-ID: <000701c47dd8$7f506680$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dear John and List,

Let me make a quick clarification. 65% of what has been coming out of
Morocco lately being sold as Amgala is actually Zag and is being supplied by
a single source to other Moroccans who in turn have been selling them to
dealers. I was shipped 4.6 Kilos of Zag that was sold as Amgala and sent it
back to see it sold again as Amgala. How do I know it was Zag?

Some specimens have a dark litholgy
Oxidation was found surrounding metal deep inside cut pieces
There was pink calcite in some fusion crust cracks
The crust on Zag is sometimes frothy on trailing edges
None of the specimens had a brown sheen on the exterior
The metal distribution is somewhat different

We have exposed several problem or fake meteorites in the past like some
bogus Martian material, Chixalube and the nickel test kits that give false
positives. We were the first to publicly talk about Shirokovsky being
counterfeit. I will not bring this subject up again since a few dealers
have a problem with it. Next time I will mind my own business and let the
buyers sort it out for themselves.

Wishing everybody the best,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Birdsell" <birdsell_at_email.arizona.edu>
To: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Amgala allegatons: fact or fancy?

> Dear List and Adam. Adam, in a recent email to the
> list (see below) you claimed that "~65% of the
> dealers" selling Amgalas were selling something other
> than Amgala. Neither Mark Bostick, nor we have seen
> anyone selling fake Amgalas and we find this claim of
> yours somewhat difficult to believe. Could you please
> tell the meteorite-list members the facts upon
> which your statistics were based? It
> seems that if you are going to make serious
> allegations that smear "~65% of the dealers" out
> there, at a minimum you should back your allegations
> with facts. We are sure the whole meteorite community
> (including the "~65% of dealers" supposedly selling
> fake Amgalas) would greatly appreciate hearing the evidence
> upon which your based your statement.
> Thanks
> John & Dawn
> Arizona Skies Meteorites
> Adam Hupe wrote:
> Hi Matteo and List,
> Apparently you have run into some dishonesty, I
> believe it is called a bait and switch situation.
> You think you are buying Amgala and you get Zag
> instead, a common occurrence these days. The Amgala
> fall is real, ~65% of the dealers who think they are
> selling the real McCoy are in error because
> they believe their Moroccan supplier. You can blame
> this on the source, not the dealers who are marketing it.
> Kind Regards,
> ------------------------------------
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
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Received on Mon 09 Aug 2004 02:16:58 AM PDT

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