[meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Aug 7 06:11:00 2004
Message-ID: <002401c47c67$6b0ff4a0$2ce550d9_at_9y6y40j>

Hi Adam and list,

but Zag is sucking water like a baby milk.
Even immediately after the fall it was nearly impossible to find specimens,
which were not stained. All with large brown-rusty areas. I would guess only
5% of that, what came here on the market was fresh and clean. I remember
Twelker had some good ones and one of the Sahara specialist (Franco?) and
that was all.
I doubt, that the specimens held for 6 years now in Morocco can rival in
freshness the black crusted and internal clean Amgalas.
Or vice versa - do you know, where to find nowadays clean Zags? I'm sure
many collectors would be thankfull for a good specimen, as with it's
multicolour brecciation Zag is in my eyes a very spectacular stone (and
affordable).
The best specimen I found this year was a 280gm stone from Cottingham on
ebay. 80-90% crust, strong regmaglyptes and only minor rust on a small area
and this at Buy-It-Now-price of the usual weathered stuff on ebay.

Cheers,

Martin A.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala


> Hi Matteo and List,
>
> Apparently you have run into some dishonesty, I believe it is called a
bait
> and switch situation. You think you are buying Amgala and you get Zag
> instead, a common occurrence these days. The Amgala fall is real, ~65% of
> the dealers who think they are selling the real McCoy are in error because
> they believe their Moroccan supplier. You can blame this on the source,
not
> the dealers who are marketing it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> ------------------------------------
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
>
>
> > Amgala from what I have see from the piece I have cut is paired 100% to
> Zag,
> > same matrix, same breccia, same full metal....I hope only the Amgala
fall
> is
> > not a fake fall only for sale extra pieces of Zag meteorite pass for a
new
> > fall.....
> >
> >
> > >From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
> > >To: raremeteorites_at_comcast.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
> > >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:57:01 +0000
> > >
> > >
> > >>The problem is that Amgala has not been completely classified yet so
it
> is
> > >>being sold as an unclassified meteorite. One of the reasons it is
taking
> > >>so
> > >>long to classify is that many interesting features have been found in
> > >>Amgala
> > >>and the scientists want to describe them properly, something every
fall
> > >>deserves.
> > >
> > >
> > >Adam, please forgive me for being overly cynical, but what does the
> > >classification results have to do with the signifigant dip seen in the
> > >price of amgala? regardless of what it classifies as, your price for
> stones
> > >already in your possesion arent going to change. if it gets classified
as
> a
> > >common stone the price isnt going to go up. if it gets classified as
> > >something exotic the price would go up, but we ahve only seen a steady
> > >downward trend in the prices - you can find smallish well crusted
amgalas
> > >selling on ebay pretty regularly at 5$ a gram - not as good a deal as i
> > >just got for buying a large stone - but still about 50% of the price
> being
> > >asked when it first came out.
> > >
> > >this trend isnt really seen in only amgala - look at lunar material -
> years
> > >ago it was all priced at several thousand $ a gram - now you can get it
> for
> > >a few hundred per gram. NWA 1929 was going for 50 to 100$ a gram and
now
> > >you can buy it for 20$ - or even as low as 5$ if you buy a big piece.
> > >olivine diogenite was going for what, 600$ a gram now you see people
> > >offering it in the 100$ ballpark. kickass LL3's like begga were several
> > >tens of $ a gram and now they can be had for 2$ a gram. look at what
> > >happened to park forrest prices.
> > >
> > >when stuff first comes out - be it a rare classification - or just an
> > >especially nice new fall it's price tends to be high - after a while
more
> > >and more sources of the material open up, and competition drives the
> prices
> > >down. it's not about dealers not having business sense - it's about
free
> > >market dynamics pushing the prices where they need to be based upon the
> > >laws of supply and demand.
> > >
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