[meteorite-list] What Would Nininger Do?

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:28:27 2004
Message-ID: <20031014051429.13583.qmail_at_web20908.mail.yahoo.com>

Well Keven All i will say is this, unless Blaine
and Blake Reed are liers (and I doubt that anyone on
this list belives that) you duid what I said, many
times. I am not condeming you for that, not my place,
just making the point that you claim to be holier than
thou.
As far as my grammer, I thought that I already
addresed that, here in India, using the internet is
very hard, takes too long, and i dont ahve time to
correct my spelling errors. I am sure you can wade
through them.

Say what you will, that is your right. I doubt there
are many who would crucify me for "stealing" this
meteorite.

By the way, I just ready the WP article, interesting
that reporters never can get anything right. just like
the
PArk Forest one who said my collection was worth $30
million! So you should not believe what you read
every time.

Oh yes, I also thought it very funny about how you
"led" those expeditions in South America. The Reeds
would love to hear that one.

Mike Farmer
--- MARSROX_at_aol.com wrote:
> Open Letter to Mike Farmer:
>
> I've just got around to reading your letters of the
> weekend to the list and
> myself. You have insulted and threatened me on this
> list.
>
> I am puzzled by some of your statements. I want to
> answer some of your
> questions. I demand an explanation or an apology
> with my name attached to it to this
> list.
>
> Let's begin.
>
> You ask - "Show me where India requires release of
> meteorites".....
>
> A paper from the 64th Annual Meteoritical Society
> Meeting (2001) by
> D.G.Schmitt, McEwan, et. al entitled "Law of
> Ownership and Control of Meteorites"
> reviews the laws in several countries. Among the
> national laws cited are:
> India - "Meteorites are deemed owned by the
> Geological Survey of India,
> without compensation."
>
> There. I showed ya.
>
> Your "excuses" for making the paperwork unnecessary:
> - "the people here are dieing (sic)"
> - "I am offering several years salery(sic) for a
> piece"
> - "I do not claim to be the most law abiding person
> on the planet"
> are execrable.
>
> Same as the U.S.A. If you don't like their laws,
> work to change them.
>
> And as I noted a few days ago, Hupe told you permits
> were needed before you
> left the USA. You state a falsehood if you claim not
> to know the laws. It is
> your duty to learn the laws of the country you visit
> to harvest meteorites.
> Publicly removing meteorites from India reflects
> poorly on us all.
>
> Aside - I want to assure readers from other
> country's that Mike's
> ethnocentric attitude towards every other country he
> visits is not shared by all
> Americans. His military background seems to have
> distorted his views of all other
> people.
>
> And for the record, Mike, I served three years in
> the US Peace
> Corps/Philippines in the very conditions that
> presently amaze you and make you "soil your
> pants". I didn't have electricity, refrigeration or
> running water for the first
> two years. Or soiled pants.
>
> In your message (did Matteo write this for you?),
> claiming that "driving
> faster than the posted limit is no different from
> taking a stone from that (sic) I
> have paid for out of the country without filling out
> a thousand request
> papers and needing years to do it."
>
> Let me help you here. Shooing a fly from a sandwich
> is not the same as
> dropping a nuclear bomb on Pakistan. Driving faster
> than the posted limit in Tucson
> is not comparable to traveling with the intent to
> break a Federal Law in India.
>
> Why won't you "fill out a thousand request papers?"
> Is this new to you?
>
> A "Professional" would fill out the papers. He would
> then hold a legal
> specimen that he could sell or trade.
>
> Of course, I didn't even get a receipt with the $50
> slice I bought from you
> last month. Maybe YOU were busy smoking crack and
> forgot. Just like the
> invisible Nakhla dog, can you prove that you
> weren't!
>
> You further show your disdain for legalities, ethics
> and everyone that agrees
> with me by writing, "If that is a problem with
> someone like (sic) Kevin's
> lofty sense of morality (Laughing my ass off), so be
> it. Don't buy from me."
>
> I won't. A lofty sense of morality does that to you.
> And a few other
> list-members already have added their names to the
> "morality" boycott.
>
> And that's a powerful "tool" you're using in
> building a business and just the
> attitude we need in the hobby. "I'm a crass ass and
> if you don't like it, oh
> well."
>
> You also wrote to the list, "I hope (he) is not
> being put up to it by some
> envious competitors. That is the lowest of the low."
>
> Your hopes and dreams have come true, because no,
> Mike. I am confronting you
> all by myself.
>
> The dim lights on this list, we'll know who they are
> in a minute, admire you
> for the audacity that's clearly thievery and lies.
>
> Almost everyone else is afraid of becoming a target
> for your cursing threats
> and intimidation's.
>
> Here's what you need to respond to:
>
> "I have heard about your carnal actions in South
> America with young women
> there...so please remember, do not commit crimes
> while condemning me."
>
> My memory's not infallible, but I think I would
> remember, and intensely
> enjoyed, "carnal actions with young women in South
> America." Unfortunately, I do
> not. Nor if I did, would such sex be a crime. Nor
> could I find my way through
> 13 layers of petticoats.
>
> But this claim of yours is meant to be malicious, to
> "quiet me" and cause me
> embarrassment on the deepest level.
>
> You couldn't do better than that? You have no
> imagination.
>
> So "You've heard" something from a person you don't
> identify and you
> maliciously attack me to cause me embarrassment,
> loss of business and professional
> friendships? You actually set the ball on a tee for
> a homerun libel suite.
>
> I request either:
> - an explanation of what "you've heard,"
> - photos or police reports for "this carnal crime"
> would be helpful,
> - or an apology to me directly to this list.
>
> Is that clear? Prove or apologize.
>
> How far we've come since the day in Tucson you asked
> to have your photo taken
> with me.
>
> Ah, Tucson. I also remember sitting around "shooting
> the sh-t" with you,
> Mike, as some other dealers (who's names I'll
> protect for the moment) and you
> decided how much they would contribute to pay for
> your next trip to Morocco. I
> remember listening into how the meteorite booty
> would be eventually divided up.
>
> This is true, isn't it, that you have traveled on
> other people's money? Many
> of the newcomers, and some "veterans" on this list
> find it "heroic" that you
> fly around on your own dime.
>
> We buy, you fly. Maybe we can take up a collection
> for a one-way ticket to
> NWA Timbuktu and send you on your way. Permanently.
>
> The same Washington Post article mentioned that you,
> sadly, dropped out of
> college.
>
> Maybe you should have stayed. At the least, your
> grammar would've improved.
> Why not sign up for night classes now? Heck, you can
> afford them! You're a
> millionaire!
>
> Slander and counter-punch. Or be perceived as weak
> and guilty. That's how the
>
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Received on Tue 14 Oct 2003 01:14:29 AM PDT