[meteorite-list] RE: new contact for Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From: drtanuki <drtanuki_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:28:25 2004
Message-ID: <3F88268D.6B958D7D_at_tkc.att.ne.jp>

Dear List,
    I will be dropping from the list for the next several months while I
enter university. If for some reason someone needs to contact please
use drtanuki_at_yahoo.com

Thank you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross....Yamaguchi University

Steven Schoner wrote:

> Dirk,
>
> I am aware of one study that was done some time ago,
> along the north west sector of the crater rim.
> Numerous tiny impactites can be found there, and these
> look very similar to volcanic cinders, with the
> exception that when they are sectioned they have
> metallic grains.
>
> I think that if you gave a clear proposal to the
> Barringers you might have some success in a impactite
> study.
>
> But the critera would have to be tight, and the
> objectives clearly stated.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Schoner
> http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey
>
> --- drtanuki <drtanuki_at_tkc.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> > Steve,
> > I read your post. I am interested in studying
> > the possibility of
> > microtektites at this site. Do you know what the
> > possibility of doing
> > this would be? Thank you.
> > Sincerely, Dirk Ross....Tokyo
> >
> > Steven Schoner wrote:
> >
> > > Michael and all,
> > >
> > > The Baringers were not the problem, and they were
> > > graceous enough to at least consider my searching
> > > around the crater itself.. but only on the two
> > square
> > > miles that they control.. and that was not within
> > the
> > > scope of my project objective which was to collect
> > and
> > > document with exact location data specimens at a
> > > distance no closer than 3.5 miles. Heat altered
> > irons
> > > was not the objective, instead my project
> > objective
> > > was to gather unaltered irons in order to resolve
> > > several questions.
> > >
> > > 1) the relationship between Nininger's Type I, II,
> > and
> > > II Canyond Diablo irons.
> > >
> > > 2) the distribution and nature of silcate and
> > graphite
> > > nodules often found in the outlying areas at
> > distances
> > > greater than 3.5 miles from the crater rim.
> > >
> > > 3) the possibility of finding silicates that are
> > > related to the Winona meteorite. Wasson and
> > others
> > > think as do I that Winona is related to the
> > impactor
> > > that created "Meteor Crater."
> > >
> > > These objectives were to be met by collecting
> > > specimens of known location, leaving nothing
> > including
> > > oxides out, at a distance no closer than 3.5 miles
> > > from the crater rim and involving 20 sections of
> > land
> > > situated 360 deg around the crater proper. About
> > 20
> > > samples with target weights of .5 kg and above
> > were to
> > > be collected from each section. Such a collection
> > > would involve many hundreds, if not thousands of
> > miles
> > > of walking over a period of 7 to 10 years.
> > >
> > > Briefly that was the overall scope of the project.
> > > >From what I understand the Barringers had no
> > problem
> > > with it... but from what I also understand they
> > have
> > > no control over Bar-T-Bar lands, upon which the
> > > objectives of my project would have to be met.
> > >
> > > There is some kind of relationship between
> > Bar-T-Bar
> > > and Meteor Crater Enterproses...
> > >
> > > But for the likes of me, and I have been looking
> > at it
> > > and dealing with it.. I still have no idea what it
> > is.
> > >
> > > I have been told that they are separate, but they
> > > don't seem to work that way.
> > >
> > > Steve Schoner
> > >
> > > --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote:
> > > > Hi Steve,
> > > > From the tone of your post, I take it
> > your
> > > > previous arrangement with
> > > > the Barengers (to allow you to hunt CDs on the
> > > > property, provided they
> > > > all go to an institution - was it UCLA? - and be
> > > > scientifically recorded and
> > > > studied, and that you could not deal in CDs from
> > ANY
> > > > source for a 5 year
> > > > period....or SOMETHING like that) is no longer
> > in
> > > > effect? Did they pull some
> > > > shenanigans on you? It seamed you donated a LOT
> > of
> > > > time and effort
> > > > there.....
> > > > Your opinion is it should be a national
> > > > park.... sounds ok to me - I
> > > > am still ticked that they are allowed to
> > CONTINUE to
> > > > hold possession
> > > > even though grampa got the damned place under
> > false
> > > > pretenses by
> > > > misapplication of the mining laws. (many of the
> > > > mining laws, even
> > > > today, suck mightily). So, a national part
> > sounds
> > > > FAR more appropriate
> > > > today. They smelted down countless TONS of CD
> > and
> > > > now act like
> > > > meteorite collectors, who actually act as
> > preservers
> > > > of this material,
> > > > are the bad guys.....I have no fond feelings for
> > > > these people at all
> > > > (could you tell?) either.
> > > > Anyway, tell us the outcome of your
> > previous
> > > > arrangement with them
> > > > that involved so much of your donated time and
> > > > energy. Sounds like they
> > > > did it to you....
> > > > Best wishes, Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on 10/15/02 8:14 AM, Steven Schoner at
> > > > american_meteorite_survey_at_yahoo.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- Tom / james Knudson
> > > > <peregrineflier_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <HR>
> > > > > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
> > > > > <DIV>
> > > > > <DIV></DIV>
> > > > > <DIV></DIV>I was just thinking, it would be
> > fun,
> > > > if
> > > > > its not already a "thing" to have a show or a
> > get
> > > > > together once a year at Meteor Crater. A list
> > > > > meteorite meet.&nbsp;Or our own show.&nbsp;A
> > > > chance
> > > > > for every one to meet and spend some time
> > talking
> > > > > meteorites. Has this been done?<BR><BR><BR>
> > > > > <DIV></DIV>
> > > > > <DIV>Thanks, Tom</DIV>
> > > > > <DIV></DIV>
> > > > > <DIV>The proudest member of the I.M.C.A.
> > > > #6168</DIV>
> > > > > <DIV></DIV>
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> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Meteor Crater" ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Why the managers there would consider us a
> > band of
> > > > > thieves. They do everything as it is to
> > stymie
> > > > legit
> > > > > scientific collections regulated by scientific
> > > > > institutions, (I have a long story to tell in
> > this
> > > > > regard) so you think that they would allow us
> > > > private
> > > > > meteorite collectors to have a "meeting"
> > there?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just the mere mention of "Nininger" brings a
> > scowl
> > > > > from the managers-- they consider him a thief,
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > even heard as much said in one tour given by
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > > their tour guides-- yet Harvey Nininger did
> > more
> > > > to
> > > > > reveal the true nature of the impact than
> > anyone
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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Received on Sat 11 Oct 2003 11:49:35 AM PDT