[meteorite-list] Meteor crater?
From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:53 2004 Message-ID: <005201c3b434$155fba00$eecb43d8_at_malcolm> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3B3F9.67A067A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List, Just to make it clear, I am the one looking for a LEGAL = place to look for CD's! I was wondering if you could find fragments = under the flight path of the meteor as it came in. I wanted to see if = there was any BLM land under the flight path that could be hunted. I = would never hunt illegally although I do think Barringer obtained the = land illegally! Even as a Christian, I hope Barringer is burning in = hell! : )=20 Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Schoner=20 To: Roman Nakonechny=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor crater? Roman, Forget searching Meteor Crater... even out to distances of more than 7 = miles... Bar-T-Bar (aka Meteor Crater Enterprises) controls all of the = land even at that distance. And if you do expect to be harassed, by 1) Being accosted by their "security guards" sometimes dressed like = State Park Rangers. (They did this to me in 1979 on State Lands several = miles away from the Crater in broad daylight. They wanted to = "confiscate" my detector and when they went to get a rifle from their = truck to make the point I produced my pistol holster with the gun = holstered, and said "Don't go there. You made your point, and you won't = get my detector at gunpoint. I am leaving. But when I get to = Flagstaff, I will file a police report of this incident... Which I did.) 2) All of the above, and now expect to be thrown into. A) The = Winslow Jail (a very bad place) B) The Flagstaff Jail ( a better = place). And expect to spend a day or two there before a hearing before = a judge. 3) Charges will be filed against you for "criminal trespass" and = "meteorite poaching" on State and Private lands. 4) A trial date will be set and you will be released, sans your = detector and any meteorites you might have found, and you will have to = hire a lawyer and pay him good money to defend yourself.. 5) A court case will be initiated where you will have to appear at = least once or several times. 6) And after you have expended a considerable amount of money, and = time, Bar-T-Bar (aka Meteor Crater Enterprises) and or the AZ State = Land Department will drop the charges after they have made the point. = (I know of no case that they have prosecuted to the finish... They drop = their cases every time.) 7) Before you consider going through all of the above, you might just = go to Stewarts outside of Holbrook and look at and buy some of their = very large Canyon Diablo's . They range from grams to 50 lbs. = Beautiful specimens, all fresh dug. (I wonder who it is that has = "Meteor Crater" permission to market them through Stewarts, so as to = avoid the first 6 things that I outlined above. It is a question that I = have had for quite some time. Stewarts, won't say.) Steve Schoner/ams P.S. You are right about the science at Meteor Crater. With the = exception of Dr. Shoemaker's work in the late 1950's and that of Dr. = Roddy... NO SIGNIFICANT SCIENCE HAS BEEN DONE OUT THERE. Why? Because = according to the managers..."All the science that needs to have been = done has already been done." Period. (There are two well known meteorite dealers here on MetList that can = elucidate on their experiences out there on those public lands. Find = out the what happened to them, and the legal harassing that they went = through. It is an eye opener. I could provide their names off list and = you can e-mail them directly) Sorry for "ranting" but the Meteor Crater situation does tick me off. Steve Schoner/ams http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3B3F9.67A067A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello List, Just to make it clear, I am the one = looking for a=20 LEGAL place to look for CD's! I was wondering if you could find = fragments under=20 the flight path of the meteor as it came in. I wanted to see if there = was any=20 BLM land under the flight path that could be hunted. I would never hunt=20 illegally although I do think Barringer obtained the land illegally! = Even as a=20 Christian, I hope Barringer is burning in hell! : ) = </FONT></DIV> <DIV></FONT>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier <><<BR>Yea, that's=20 right,<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168</DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com" = title=3Dsteve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>Steve=20 Schoner</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:uraninut239__at_hotmail.com" = title=3Duraninut239__at_hotmail.com>Roman=20 Nakonechny</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 26, = 2003 8:21=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Meteor=20 crater?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Roman,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Forget searching Meteor Crater... even out to distances of more = than 7=20 miles... Bar-T-Bar (aka Meteor Crater Enterprises) controls all = of the=20 land even at that distance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And if you do expect to be harassed, by</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Being accosted by their "security guards" sometimes = dressed like=20 State Park Rangers. (They did this to me in 1979 on State Lands = several=20 miles away from the Crater in broad daylight. They wanted to=20 "confiscate" my detector and when they went to get a rifle from = their=20 truck to make the point I produced my pistol holster with the gun = holstered,=20 and said "Don't go there. You made your point, and you won't get = my=20 detector at gunpoint. I am leaving. But when I get to = Flagstaff, I will file a police report of this incident... Which I = did.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) All of the above, and now expect to be thrown = into. A) The=20 Winslow Jail (a very bad place) B) The Flagstaff Jail ( a = better=20 place). And expect to spend a day or two there before a hearing = before a=20 judge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Charges will be filed against you for "criminal trespass" and=20 "meteorite poaching" on State and Private lands.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) A trial date will be set and you will be released, sans your = detector=20 and any meteorites you might have found, and you will have to hire a = lawyer=20 and pay him good money to defend yourself..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) A court case will be initiated where you will have to = appear at=20 least once or several times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6) And after you have expended a considerable amount of money, = and=20 time, Bar-T-Bar (aka Meteor Crater Enterprises) and or the AZ = State Land=20 Department will drop the charges after they have made the point. = (I know=20 of no case that they have prosecuted to the finish... They drop their=20 cases every time.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7) Before you consider going through all of the above, you might = just go=20 to Stewarts outside of Holbrook and look at and buy some of their very = large=20 Canyon Diablo's . They range from grams to 50 lbs. = Beautiful=20 specimens, all fresh dug. (I wonder who it is that has "Meteor = Crater"=20 permission to market them through Stewarts, so as to avoid the first 6 = things=20 that I outlined above. It is a question that I have had for = quite some=20 time. Stewarts, won't say.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Steve Schoner/ams</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. You are right about the science at Meteor = Crater. With=20 the exception of Dr. Shoemaker's work in the late 1950's and that of = Dr.=20 Roddy... NO SIGNIFICANT SCIENCE HAS BEEN DONE OUT THERE. = Why? =20 Because according to the managers..."All the science that needs to = have been=20 done has already been done."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Period.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(There are two well known meteorite dealers here on=20 MetList that can elucidate on their experiences out there on = those=20 public lands. Find out the what happened to them, and the legal=20 harassing that they went through. It is an eye opener. I = could=20 provide their names off list and you can e-mail them = directly)</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry for "ranting" but the Meteor Crater situation does = tick me=20 off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Steve Schoner/ams</DIV> <DIV><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey">http://www.ge= ocities.com/american_meteorite_survey</A></DIV> <DIV><BR><BR> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C3B3F9.67A067A0-- Received on Wed 26 Nov 2003 10:43:46 AM PST |
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