[meteorite-list] Misleading Images, a Real Problem

From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:51 2004
Message-ID: <002901c3af10$3c85e010$037cd50c_at_robewcufk0z2s3>

No worries Adam,

I was just pointing out that particular example (when fully polished out)
was a very tricky nut to crack and that Mikes oversatuation and contrast may
have been the only way to show anything other than a ball of light or it may
have been the way it came out. My slice on eBay is not finished out so it
was much easier to get the real deal but when you compare to my Yahoo photo
it doesn't look like the same material at all. I opted to offer the 100%+
refund because the photos on Yahoo don't look so good and manipulating them
did no better for it. Not really a for or against argument, just offering
that sometimes a manipulated image shows more than one that is not and in
the case of NWA 1936 I did not feel Mikes photo to be misleading (the
subject of this thread), it is chondrule packed and an ordinary photo shows
that poorly. For one who has not been close to the material, it could be
very easily construed as a misleading photo.

Just to catch anyone up:

The photos in question
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2204480494&category=3239
Oversaturated finished out, may or may not have been intentional to show
detail, not my photo.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J26B12196
Non manipulated finished out in a dim environment with a wide aperture

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2203039627&category=3239
Non manipulated non finished out in regular room light

The ones I hate are the fuzzy, four foot away photos, taken through a screen
door. Why do these sellers even bother?


Rob Wesel
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
To: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Misleading Images, a Real Problem


> Hi Rob,
>
> I was not in any way questioning the beauty of NWA 1936 as it is a very
nice
> chondrite judging from the photos you provided. I feel the alterations
made
> it look less desirable in the second image. List members have been
sending
> us images all morning asking our opinion, which is just that, an opinion.
> When these two auctions where forwarded I could see huge differences
between
> the two images demonstrating the problem with image manipulation. Your
> image looks like it was not manipulated and for this we applaud you.
>
> Wishing you the very best,
>
> Adam Hupe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Misleading Images, a Real Problem
>
>
> > I can shed some light on this one as One of these is mine. 1936 is a
> single
> > stone with many owners and was recently purchased in Morocco. It was
known
> > right away that it was a looker and Marlin Cilz of Montana Meteorite Lab
> was
> > commissioned to prepare the slices. The small piece I have on eBay right
> now
> > was not finished out, it was simply a remnant I received to "make
weight"
> on
> > my share of ownership. The slice Mike had up WAS PREPARED to a mirror
> > polish. See my photo of the same on Yahoo
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?J26B12196 . It is so highly polished that I
> had
> > to turn the lights way down to even come close. That is why I offered to
> > 100%+ money back offer with the sale of these pieces. Seeing Mikes photo
> > here it is beyond obvious that it was enhanced and quite out of the
usual
> > character of Mikes usual skill as this was a bugger to photograph.
> > Furthermore, when holding to finished next to the unfinished, they do
not
> > compare. Felt I had to defend this one a bit as my Yahoo photo looks
very
> > different than my eBay photo of the same.
> >
> > Rob Wesel
> > ------------------
> > We are the music makers...
> > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > Willy Wonka, 1971
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:19 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Misleading Images, a Real Problem
> >
> >
> > > Dear John and List,
> > >
> > > NWA 1936 is not one of ours so we can not tell you which picture has
> been
> > > altered. Here are two ebay images of NWA 1936 forwarded to us, you
> > decide:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2204480494&category=3239
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2203039627&category=3239
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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