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From: Charles Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:46 2004
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I had a very nice, polite conversation with this dude Bernie. He is a
nice person, who hasn't a clue about how meteoritic science works, does
not really care, and wants to make a buck selling absolute crap using
material from a few books he recently read. Just ignore it all.

CharlyV

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From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of fcressy
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:32 PM
To: magellon; Dave Harris; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite

Hello all,
I believe that the Chicxulub crater is buried by a couple thousand feet
of Tertiary sediments so wouldn't expect to find any material in beach
sands in the Chicxulub area. I think the closest area where K/T
impactite material is exposed is along the Mexico/Belize border. I guess
the material offered still could be of meteoritic origin but certainly
is not material from the K/T boundary, or as stated, from "the Big One".

My 2 cents,
Frank
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From: magellon <mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net>
To: Dave <mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com> Harris ;
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite

Dave,
A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2200664192>
&item=2200664192
I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material.
he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub -&
used
a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test at
home.
Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes & metal balls

from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are
open
to the jugdement of others with better equipment. While i do have a
2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund at
any time.
Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing to
send
you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M"
I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2) send a sample to
NEMS
to first verify if was meteoritic.
He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS.
(He indicated it was because he had less than a gram)
Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale.
So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub
meteorite
as advertised.
Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill samplings
show that
the meteorite was probably a carbonaceous chondrite.
Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof that
any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer.
http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html
Best,
ken newton
#9632



Dave Harris wrote:
Hi folks,
I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=220066
3512> &category=3239&item=2200663512
What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant or Mo
Yousef insistance. This is a good start for a scientific discussion as
already we haven't got our backs up over this!
thoughts please!!!
very best
dave
IMCA #0092
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 I had a very nice, polite =
conversation
with this dude Bernie. He is a nice person, who hasn’t a clue =
about how
meteoritic science works, does not really care, and wants to make a buck
selling absolute crap using material from a few books he recently read. =
 Just ignore it =
all.<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

CharlyV<o:p></o:p>=

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Month=3D"11" Day=3D"9" Year=3D"2003">Sunday, November 09, =
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To: magellon; Dave =
Harris;
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: =
[meteorite-list]
Chicxulub Meteorite

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Hello all,<o:p></o:p>

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I believe that the Chicxulub crater is buried =
by a
couple thousand feet of Tertiary sediments so wouldn't expect to find =
any
material in beach sands in the Chicxulub area. I think the closest area =
where
K/T impactite material is exposed is along the Mexico/Belize border. I =
guess
the material offered still could be of meteoritic origin but certainly =
is not
material from the K/T boundary, or as stated, from "the Big =
One". <o:p></o:p>

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My 2 cents,<o:p></o:p>

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Frank<o:p></o:p>

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Dave, <o:p></o:p>

A better example is here: (more ridiculous =
excuses) 
<a =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D22006641=
92">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2200664192</=
a>
<o:p></o:p>

I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the =
material. 
he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to =
Chicxulub
-& used 
a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test at =
home. 
Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes & metal =
balls 
from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are =
open 
to the jugdement of others with better  equipment. While i do have =
a 
2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund at =
any time.
 
Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing to =
send 
you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M" =
<o:p></o:p>

I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders =
and
(2)  send a sample to NEMS 
to first verify if was  meteoritic. 
He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS. 
(He indicated it was because he had less than a gram) 
Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale. 
So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub =
meteorite
 
as advertised. <o:p></o:p>

Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article =
saying that
drill samplings show that 
the meteorite was probably a  carbonaceous chondrite. 
Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof  that 
any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer. 
 <a =
href=3D"http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html">http://www.nature=
.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html</a>
<o:p></o:p>

Best, 
ken newton 
#9632 
  
  
  <o:p></o:p>

Dave Harris wrote: =
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Hi folks, <o:p></o:p>

I would be grateful for a bit of input re =
this eBAy
item below. <o:p></o:p>

<a
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D3239=
&item=3D2200663512">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp=
;category=3D3239&item=3D2200663512</a>
<o:p></o:p>

What has impressed me is that there is no =
Frass rant,
or BCC rant or Mo 
Yousef insistance.  This is a good start for a scientific =
discussion as 
already we haven't got our backs up over this! =
<o:p></o:p>

thoughts please!!! =
<o:p></o:p>

very best <o:p></o:p>

dave <o:p></o:p>

IMCA #0092 <o:p></o:p>

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