[meteorite-list] weight descrepency

From: Steve Witt <stelor96_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:44 2004
Message-ID: <20030525195101.76336.qmail_at_web9605.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings List,

I'm piping in here before even reading all of the responses on this
thread, but a point worth considering...Negative feedback on eBay can
have a very detrimental effect on someone's business. I think it
would be in everyone's best interest to do everything possible to
rectify the situation "behind the scenes". If the seller refuses to
make things right, then do what you feel you have to do, but please
give this gentleman the benefit of the doubt. My 2 grams.

thanx,
Steve
 
--- Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi> wrote:
>
> Hello, Tom and the list,
>
> think the basics of the law are same here than in US. Just some
> days ago
> overed the speed-limit, and this is not an excuse, I didnīt know
> the correct
> speed to drive. So think this is clear to all of us.
>
> But in this case itīs a question about 2 different traditions,
> minerals
> and meteorites.
> Meteorites are mainly sold by weight, minerals mainly by the size
> and
> what they
> do look like.
>
> To sell a meteorite-wrong as a meteorite is a crime, no doubt.
> Carlos
> have sold
> genuine stuff with wrong arguments, and because of that the buyer
> hasnīt
> recived
> the item he or she has thought was buying. Anyway, I still strongly
>
> belive, there is
> a question about 2 different cultures / traditions to sell the
> items.
> And the not so good
> english of Carlos doesnīt make the situation any cleaerer, thatīs
> why I
> have asked some
> spanish-speaking to tell him the right way in spanish.
>
> I have sent an e-mail to Carlos in my not so good english and even
> worse
> spanish, and
> I really hope, we can now make these things clear.
>
> Anyway, itīs very hard to belive, the well-known mineral-dealer
> will
> ruin his business for
> some dollars, and as I told before, meteorites on eBay are just
> 1-2% for
> his sales. He has
> 97,6 % positive feedback, and anyway, he is mainly dealing on fairs
> and
> shows.
>
> This far as I know, the buyers, which have contacted Carlos, are
> all
> promised to get the
> missing part of their stuff, letīs hope, these are weighted without
> the
> packing-material...;-
>
> take care,
>
> pekka
>
> Tom aka James Knudson wrote:
>
> >Hello Pekka, Here in the US, we have to live by a law that
> basically says;
> >"ignorance of a law is no excuse for breaking the law." He may not
> have
> >known that he was stealing, but he was . If it were nothing more
> than human
> >error, it could be forgiven, but when he refuses to correct it, he
> is wrong
> >and should not be trusted. I think by now he knows what he is
> doing is
> >wrong, has he corrected it? If someone sells meteor-wrongs on
> ebay and
> >refuses to take the appropriate actions do you stand up for them?
> If a
> >buyer buys a meteor-wrong or buys a 100g meteorite that weighs
> 50g's, he did
> >not get what he paid for!
> >Thanks, Tom
> >The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi>
> >To: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
> >Cc: Peter Marmet <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>; list
> ><meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:52 AM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency
> >
> >
> >>Hello, Michael and the list,
> >>
> >>well, to be honest, the negative feedbacks are correct in these
> cases.
> >>But as I have told before, Carlos have been mainly in
> mineral-business,
> >>over 30 years. Ok, itīs his problem, if he doesnīt know, how to
> sell
> >>meteorites, but anyway, Iīll find it at least fair to tell him,
> how to do
> >>that. If you take a look at his other auctions, meteorites are
> some 1 - 2%
> >>he is selling.
> >>
> >>I have been also dealing and collecting minerals over 20 years,
> and the
> >>rules are different than in meteorites. The weight of the
> specimen is not
> >>important. As far as I remember, I havenīt sold any
> crystal-specimen by
> >>weight. The important things in this sector are size and the
> visuality of
> >>the specimen.
> >>
> >>Iīm not going to say, Carlos is doing right, he is wrong in this
> case, no
> >>doubt. But if this is because of the lack of the knowledge in
> meteorites,
> >>which are 1 - 2% of his deals, it looks fair to me, if some one
> speaking
> >>better spanish than me, would make the rules with meteorites
> clear to him.
> >>His small amounts of unclassified NWA:s donīt explose the market
> or make
> >>the living of professional meteorite-dealers any harder, he is,
> and will
> >>be a
> >>mineral-dealer. I suppose, he has just bought some NWA:s from
> Morocco
> >>with mineral specimens and is now selling them away.
> >>
> >>This is just my opinion worth of 2 cents again, but if we are
> very
> >>aggressive,
> >>it doesnīt bring any new collector to this hobby. Itīs allways
> possible,
> >>if Carlos
> >>learns to sell his NWA:s in a correct way, some one new in this
> field
> >>will have
> >>a spark from his not so excpensive ones, and will be later deeper
> in the
> >>community.
> >>
> >>Itīs sure, there are allways people trying to cheat, but think
> this is
> >>not a question in
> >>this case. I have met hundreds of people, they are sure, their
> specimen
> >>is a real met,
> >>and I have to inform them nicely and gently, it is not, give
> them some
> >>information of the mets,
> >>some papers, perhaps a free sample of some NWA. And also give my
> time
> >>for free, and show,
> >>their interrest in meteorites is an impotrant thing. In this way
> theyīll
> >>come back to
> >>me also the next time, and perhaps one day with a real sample. If
> I tell
> >>them, thee, hee, just
> >>drop your hematite in the nearest trash-can, Iīm not interrested
> in you
> >>or in your specimen,
> >>it would be the last one, theyīll bring to me, and they feel,
> they have
> >>been fools, when belive
> >>the whole thing. I think, the role of collectors / dealers in
> meteorites
> >>could be a bit more
> >>educational.
> >>
> >>This thing with Carlos is not exactly the same, he is doing
> business in
> >>a wrong way and
> >>with wrong arguments, but I stronly belive, he doesnīt know that.
> He is
> >>a spanish-speaking
> >>old rock-hound, not a specialist in meteorites. So thatīs why it
> would
> >>be highly apreciated,
> >>if you, Mike, or some other on the list speaking better spanish
> than me,
> >>would explain to Carlos,
> >>which is the different between a mineral-sample and a
> meteorite-sample
> >>and what is the correct
> >>way to sell meteorites. If this doesnīt work, itīs time to inform
> eBay,
> >>and thatīs it. Think this should
> >>be a fair way to handle the case.
> >>
> >>take care,
> >>
> >>pekka
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Michael Farmer wrote:
> >>
>
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=====
Steve Witt
IMCA #9020

http://www.meteoritecollectors.org

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Received on Sun 25 May 2003 03:51:01 PM PDT