[meteorite-list] weight descrepency

From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:44 2004
Message-ID: <3ED0FA2C.1060802_at_dlc.fi>

Hello, Michael and the list,

this is simple for us, but may be not for a not so highly educated spanish
old man. I suppose, he has tried to describe the shipping-costs as clear as
he could, and the result has been a mess.
So, Mike, if you could translate this message in spanish and mail it to me,
Iīll be glad to forward it to Carlos.
I aggree, there is no logic or sence in his descriptions, in fact I
donīt underrestant
them, when reading them. Anyway, the dimensions of the specimens are
right, but
thatīs not enough. So if he wants to continue, he has to change his
system. This is
the all and the only I have tried to explain and kindly asked somebody
to put it in a
few simple spanish words...;-

take care,

pekka

Michael Farmer wrote:

>Look, this is very simple, there is absolutely NO LOGIC in advertising a
>meteorite as "100 grams" but including the packing material weight as part
>of that equation. NO LOGIC, you do not offer a crystal as 100 grams but it
>only weighs 30 grams. He went to alot of trouble to weigh the specimen and
>put into a box to add up the total weight. That does not make the slightest
>since. I think that it is a very simple and idiotic scam, period!
>Mike Farmer
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pekka Savolainen" <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi>
>To: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
>Cc: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>; "list"
><meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency
>
>
>>Hello, Michael and the list,
>>
>>well, to be honest, the negative feedbacks are correct in these cases.
>>But as I have told before, Carlos have been mainly in mineral-business,
>>over 30 years. Ok, itīs his problem, if he doesnīt know, how to sell
>>meteorites, but anyway, Iīll find it at least fair to tell him, how to do
>>that. If you take a look at his other auctions, meteorites are some 1 - 2%
>>he is selling.
>>
>>I have been also dealing and collecting minerals over 20 years, and the
>>rules are different than in meteorites. The weight of the specimen is not
>>important. As far as I remember, I havenīt sold any crystal-specimen by
>>weight. The important things in this sector are size and the visuality of
>>the specimen.
>>
>>Iīm not going to say, Carlos is doing right, he is wrong in this case, no
>>doubt. But if this is because of the lack of the knowledge in meteorites,
>>which are 1 - 2% of his deals, it looks fair to me, if some one speaking
>>better spanish than me, would make the rules with meteorites clear to him.
>>His small amounts of unclassified NWA:s donīt explose the market or make
>>the living of professional meteorite-dealers any harder, he is, and will
>>be a
>>mineral-dealer. I suppose, he has just bought some NWA:s from Morocco
>>with mineral specimens and is now selling them away.
>>
>>This is just my opinion worth of 2 cents again, but if we are very
>>aggressive,
>>it doesnīt bring any new collector to this hobby. Itīs allways possible,
>>if Carlos
>>learns to sell his NWA:s in a correct way, some one new in this field
>>will have
>>a spark from his not so excpensive ones, and will be later deeper in the
>>community.
>>
>>Itīs sure, there are allways people trying to cheat, but think this is
>>not a question in
>>this case. I have met hundreds of people, they are sure, their specimen
>>is a real met,
>>and I have to inform them nicely and gently, it is not, give them some
>>information of the mets,
>>some papers, perhaps a free sample of some NWA. And also give my time
>>for free, and show,
>>their interrest in meteorites is an impotrant thing. In this way theyīll
>>come back to
>>me also the next time, and perhaps one day with a real sample. If I tell
>>them, thee, hee, just
>>drop your hematite in the nearest trash-can, Iīm not interrested in you
>>or in your specimen,
>>it would be the last one, theyīll bring to me, and they feel, they have
>>been fools, when belive
>>the whole thing. I think, the role of collectors / dealers in meteorites
>>could be a bit more
>>educational.
>>
>>This thing with Carlos is not exactly the same, he is doing business in
>>a wrong way and
>>with wrong arguments, but I stronly belive, he doesnīt know that. He is
>>a spanish-speaking
>>old rock-hound, not a specialist in meteorites. So thatīs why it would
>>be highly apreciated,
>>if you, Mike, or some other on the list speaking better spanish than me,
>>would explain to Carlos,
>>which is the different between a mineral-sample and a meteorite-sample
>>and what is the correct
>>way to sell meteorites. If this doesnīt work, itīs time to inform eBay,
>>and thatīs it. Think this should
>>be a fair way to handle the case.
>>
>>take care,
>>
>>pekka
>>
>>
>>
>>Michael Farmer wrote:
>>
>>>Guys, the only way to take care of this is the give the guy negative
>>>feedbacks, if you dont do that, then you have no right to complain. That
>>>will save other people from making the same mistake.
>>>Mike Farmer
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet_at_dplanet.ch>
>>>To: "list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:18 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi list,
>>>>
>>>>I have 2 meteorites that I bought on ebay from him:
>>>>
>>>>- 100g but it is only 55g!
>>>>- 68 g but it is only 35 g!
>>>>
>>>>That's fraud, isn't it! Seller should be removed from ebay!
>>>>
>>>>Peter M.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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