[meteorite-list] weight descrepency
From: Steven Drummond <jesserd44_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:43 2004 Message-ID: <001901c3216f$f1788600$6401a8c0_at_charterpipeline.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C32135.44E75360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The seller has agreed to send me a refund if it is what I want. I = can see that selling crystals could result in the packing material = weighing more than the sample, but to advertise this total weight in the = header of an auction is not right.=20 Ebay has a place for the seller to put the shipping costs . And the = header and or description of the specimen listed should not include the = packing materials weight. =20 I do believe this probably was not done to fool anyone and is an = honest mistake. But this seller needs to be more clear on what he is offering weight = wise.=20 I have not checked his other auctions as I am not terribly = interested in the minerals he sells , And maybe this is an accepted = method to figure out shipping costs for his minerals , But as I stated = earlier this total weight should not be added to the specimens weight = and then placed on the header of any auction mineral or meteorite. What = would that make a 1 carat diamond weigh ;-) =20 Well I am done with this string . =20 Regards to all Steven Drummond TUC :-) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pekka Savolainen=20 Cc: Steven Drummond ; meteorite list=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency Hello, Steven and the list, think there must be some missunderrestanding in this. Pareja Minerals = (Morfita) sells mainly=20 mineralspecimens, and that=B4s why their system of shipping charges is = quite complicated. If you buy some crystals, the packing material may weight more than the = specimen. I bought lately 236 grams Rissani from the dealer, and that was the = exact weight of the spec. Anyway, they sell more minerals than meteorites, and as far as I know, = this dealer is quite well-known and trusted in this sector. Think Carlos speaks better = spanish than english, so is it possible, there is some missunderrestanding because of that? This is just my opinion, but my experiences with Pareja Minerals has = been better than good. They are professionals in minerals (not so much in meteorites), so = it=B4s quite hard to belive, a well-known dealer would make this kind of trick on purpose. But who = knows, this is a strange world... Think at least Bob Keller from Rockhound in US should know this = seller, he can be reached from his site; http://www.rockhounds.com/bkeller/ take care, pekka ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steven Drummond=20 To: meteorite list=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency Hi List, I recently won 2 auctions from a seller at ebay called = MORFITA. He was auctioning the Rissani Morocco meteorites a few people = were asking about on the list. in his heading he states the weight of = the available meteorite, then in the description he states........=20 "The weight of each item corresponds with its weight when it is = prepared for ets shipment." Now what this really means is that , The weight of this item = in this auction includes the packing material and the Box it is to be = shipped in. This is very deceiving. Well he has lost 1 of the pieces I bid on and the other weighs = less than 1/2 of what he had listed in the heading for this = auction,(because the box And packing material weighed more that the = meteorite). I should have received 102 grams of meteorite in 2 pieces , = and I received 1 meteorite that weighed 17.67 gram.=20 Now I have asked him for one 85 gram meteorite to correct this = problem. His reply ................. =20 " We can send you another meteorite that = weighed, with the included packing, about 62 grams. =20 I believe that this it is the best solution, since us in our it = paginates of ebay we explain that of the weight of the specimens = clearly." =20 So I believe he will send around a 30 gram stone this time. I = have never seen anybody include the packing material and box in the = weight of what is being offered. And I would never bid on anything this = small that was not classified. What a deceiving way to advertise your = products. I certainly will not be bidding on this persons auctions = again. And maybe next time I will have to decipher the description = closely before bidding again. =20 Has anybody on this list ever seen anybody add the weight of the = packing material and box to the piece and list it as such in the heading = of the auction ?=20 I just received a new email from the seller he has changed his = wording on this matter, But how confusing is this = statement................. "The weight of the specimens is its real weight. When making = purchases of several specimens, the weight of this specimens are = increased 50% to calculate the shipping cost. when the packages are = ready for shipment, we weigh them again, and if it's difference to your = favor among the shipping cost you have paid and the final shipping cost = result, we refund you your money. Oh well, Have a great day list, Regards, Steven Drummond = TUC :-) =20 . --=20 Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C32135.44E75360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi, The seller has agreed to send = me a refund=20 if it is what I want. I can see that selling crystals could result = in the=20 packing material weighing more than the sample, but to advertise this = total=20 weight in the header of an auction is not right. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Ebay has a place for the seller = to put the=20 shipping costs . And the header and or description of the specimen = listed should=20 not include the packing materials weight. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I = do believe=20 this probably was not done to fool anyone and is an honest = mistake.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> But this seller needs to be more = clear on=20 what he is offering weight wise. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I = have not=20 checked his other auctions as I am not terribly interested in the = minerals he=20 sells , And maybe this is an accepted method to figure out = shipping costs=20 for his minerals , But as I stated earlier this total weight should not = be added=20 to the specimens weight and then placed on the header of any auction = mineral or=20 meteorite. What would that make a 1 carat diamond weigh ;-) =20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Well I am done = with this=20 string . </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2> &nbs= p; =20 Regards to all Steven Drummond TUC = :-) =20 </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dpekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi = href=3D"mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi">Pekka=20 Savolainen</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Djesserd44_at_earthlink.net=20 href=3D"mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net">Steven Drummond</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite list</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2003 1:40 = PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = weight=20 descrepency</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Hello, Steven and the list,<BR><BR>think there must = be some=20 missunderrestanding in this. Pareja Minerals (Morfita) sells mainly=20 <BR>mineralspecimens, and that=B4s why their system of shipping = charges is quite=20 complicated. If you<BR>buy some crystals, the packing material may = weight more=20 than the specimen.<BR>I bought lately 236 grams Rissani from the = dealer, and=20 that was the exact weight of the spec.<BR><BR>Anyway, they sell more = minerals=20 than meteorites, and as far as I know, this dealer is = quite<BR>well-known and=20 trusted in this sector. Think Carlos speaks better spanish than = english, so is=20 it<BR>possible, there is some missunderrestanding because of = that?<BR><BR>This=20 is just my opinion, but my experiences with Pareja Minerals has been = better=20 than good.<BR>They are professionals in minerals (not so much in = meteorites),=20 so it=B4s quite hard to belive, a<BR>well-known dealer would make this = kind of=20 trick on purpose. But who knows, this is a = strange<BR>world...<BR><BR>Think at=20 least Bob Keller from Rockhound in US should know this seller, he can = be=20 reached from<BR>his site;<BR><BR><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20 = href=3D"http://www.rockhounds.com/bkeller/">http://www.rockhounds.com/bke= ller/</A><BR><BR>take=20 care,<BR><BR>pekka<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"mid:003801c32162$21114f40$3b31ef42_at_computer" = type=3D"cite"> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: = none">-----=20 Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: none; = FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = rgb(228,228,228); font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; = x-background-x-position: 0%; x-background-y-position: 0%"><B>From:</B><A = title=3Djesserd44_at_earthlink.net = href=3D"mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net">=20 Steven Drummond</A> </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: = none"><B>To:</B><A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"> meteorite = list</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: = none"><B>Sent:</B>=20 Friday, May 23, 2003 12:03 PM</DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: = none"><B>Subject:</B>=20 [meteorite-list] weight descrepency</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi List, I = recently won 2=20 auctions from a seller at ebay called MORFITA. He was auctioning = the=20 Rissani Morocco meteorites a few people were asking about on the=20 list. in his heading he states the weight of the available=20 meteorite, then in the description he states........=20 <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>"The weight of each item corresponds = with its=20 weight when it is prepared for ets shipment."</STRONG></FONT></P> <P> Now what this really means is that , The = weight of=20 this item in this auction includes the packing material and = the Box=20 it is to be shipped in. This is very deceiving.</P> <P> Well he has lost 1 of the pieces I bid on and the = other=20 weighs less than 1/2 of what he had listed in the heading for this = auction,(because the box And packing material weighed more that = the=20 meteorite). I should have received 102 grams of meteorite in = 2 pieces=20 , and I received 1 meteorite that weighed 17.67 gram. </P> <P> Now I have asked him for one 85 gram = meteorite=20 to correct this problem. His reply = ................. </P> = <P> &nbs= p; =20 " We can send you another meteorite that weighed, with the = included=20 packing, about 62 grams. <BR>I believe that this = it is=20 the best solution, since us in our it paginates of ebay we explain = that of=20 the weight of the specimens=20 clearly." </P> <P> So I believe he will send around a 30 gram stone = this=20 time. I have never seen anybody include the packing material and = box in=20 the weight of what is being offered. And I would never bid on = anything=20 this small that was not classified. What a deceiving way to = advertise your=20 products. I certainly will not be bidding on this persons auctions = again.=20 And maybe next time I will have to decipher the description = closely before=20 bidding again. </P> <P> Has anybody on this list ever seen anybody add the = weight of the=20 packing material and box to the piece and list it as such in the = heading=20 of the auction ? </P> <P>I just received a new email from the seller he has changed his = wording=20 on this matter, But how confusing is this = statement.................</P> <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>"The weight of the specimens is its real = weight.=20 When making purchases of several specimens, the weight of this = specimens=20 are increased 50% to calculate the shipping cost. when the = packages are=20 ready for shipment, we weigh them again, and if it's difference to = your=20 favor among the shipping cost you have paid and the final shipping = cost=20 result, we refund you your money.</STRONG></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><FONT = size=3D2>Oh=20 well, Have a great day list, Regards, Steven=20 Drummond TUC :-) </FONT></P> <P>.</P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><PRE = class=3Dmoz-signature cols=3D"$mailwrapcol">--=20 Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext = href=3D"http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroup= s.com/groups/eurocoin</A> Group Email Address: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated = href=3D"mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</A> </PRE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C32135.44E75360-- Received on Fri 23 May 2003 05:11:56 PM PDT |
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