[meteorite-list] Re: Another Meteor - Wrong auction with PAPERS !!!

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From: Steven Drummond <jesserd44_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:42 2004
Message-ID: <003701c32011$4705c840$6401a8c0_at_charterpipeline.net>

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   Here is an answer I got when I informed the seller that papers or no =
papers this is in no way a Canyon Diablo Meteorite ....................
      In reading he states he is a retired DOD Rock Hound, I thought =
that the DOD would call them Geologists. Read this for yourself below.
  And as of now 8:17 PM here on the West Coast this auction is still =
running............

              Sorry but this is a iron meteorite!! Just because it may =
not appear to be in the picture, I assure you it is. I got all these =
experts who seem to think they know what they are talking about, but I =
am afraid they don't! I have had a piece polished and etched so to see =
the widmanstatten pattern. I don't claim to be an expert, but I will =
say I have quite a bit of background in several fields as a retired DOD =
rock hound. Thanks for trying to help=20
=20
              =20
       Regards to all on the list, Steven=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ian Barrett=20
  To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:17 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Another Meteor - Wrong auction with =
PAPERS !!!

  Below are the two responses I've had from the seller this evening. =
They make for very interesting reading. I don' think anyone who has seen =
the pics or description will be convinced by it.

  Make up your own mind.....

  =20

  =20

  =20

  =20

  Hi Ian, gotta say Department of Defense I worked on Nuclear Submarines =
for over 20+ years and have seen more slag metal than you will ever see! =
The pictures were ones I had taken a couple of months ago when I first =
had these specimens listed, and I removed them then because no one =
thought they were real, so I had some samples sent in to NEMS to have =
verified, and thats where I am at now. The samples sent in were remants =
of these pieces, and I would like someone to stand infront of me and say =
they are not!!=20
    As far as the gold, it is just reflective color. As far as the =
diamonds suspect in carbon deposits, I gotta say I took that info off of =
anouther Diablo Canyon canyon meteorite sale on ebay so I have no facts =
on that at all.=20
    Gotta say I am a little tired of suspect experts telling me about =
things they don't apper to know much more about than I do! You think I =
would put up with all these questions, if I was up to sometihing. I =
stand by my reputation, these specimens are as defined. I wish you were =
here to take a closer look. I have 100% positive feedback and plan on =
it staying that way, and provide money back if not satisfied!=20
    I guess I will keep selling this insane stuff!=20
  Sincerly=20
  Dan Ray=20

  Ian Barrett wrote:=20

  Can you explain your job as a metal inspector as I don't know what DOD =
stands for?

  Why do you not show a picture of the etched slice with Widmanstatten =
pattern? There is nothing showing it on the pics on your ebay ad.=20

  -Anyone with any metallurgical knowledge would know that an =
iron-nickel sample could never contain gold.=20

  As for your spurious semi-claim that it MAY contain diamonds! Come on =
! Please provide me meteoritical evidence that Canyon Diablo has EVER =
been found with diamonds in the matrix?=20

  I believe you are already being investigated with regards to your =
claims that the 'NEW ENGLAND METEORITICAL SERVICES LABORATORY' have =
validated this piece. Maybe they have validated a piece of yours but I =
find it hard to believe it is THIS piece. Can I see a copy of the =
certificate and where it refers to THIS piece.=20

  I would hope you will take this item off-sale as soon as is possible.=20

  Regards=20

  Ian=20

  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   Here is an answer I got =
when I=20
informed the seller that papers or no papers this is in no way a Canyon =
Diablo=20
Meteorite ....................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>      In =
reading he states=20
he is a retired DOD Rock Hound, I thought that the DOD would call them=20
Geologists.  Read this for yourself below.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>  And as of now 8:17 PM here on =
the West Coast=20
this auction is still running............</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;  =20
<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Sorry but this is a iron =
meteorite!! Just=20
because it may not appear to be in the picture, I assure you it is. I =
got all=20
these experts who seem to think they know what they are talking about, =
but I am=20
afraid they don't!  I have had a piece polished and etched so to =
see the=20
widmanstatten pattern.  I don't claim to be an expert, but I will =
say I=20
have quite a bit of background in several fields as a retired DOD rock=20
hound.  Thanks for trying to help </FONT><BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;   =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>       =
Regards to all=20
on the list,  Steven </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Djellyfysh_at_onetel.net.uk =
href=3D"mailto:jellyfysh_at_onetel.net.uk">Ian=20
  Barrett</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 21, 2003 =
2:17=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] Re: =
Another=20
  Meteor - Wrong auction with PAPERS !!!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Below are the two responses I’ve had =
from the seller=20
  this evening. They make for very interesting reading. I don’ =
think anyone who=20
  has seen the <SPAN class=3DSpellE>pics</SPAN> or description will be =
convinced=20
  by it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Make up your own=20
mind………….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi Ian, <SPAN class=3DSpellE>gotta</SPAN> =
say Department=20
  of <SPAN class=3DSpellE>Defense</SPAN> I worked on Nuclear Submarines =
for over=20
  20+ years and have seen more slag metal than you will ever see!  =
The=20
  pictures were ones I had taken a couple of months ago when I first had =
these=20
  specimens listed, and I removed them then because no one thought they =
were=20
  real, so I had some samples sent in to NEMS to  have verified, =
and <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>thats</SPAN> where I am at now.  The samples sent =
in were=20
  <SPAN class=3DSpellE>remants</SPAN> of these pieces, and I would like =
someone to=20
  stand <SPAN class=3DSpellE>infront</SPAN> of me and say they are not!! =

  <BR>  As far as the gold, it is just reflective <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>color</SPAN>.  As far as the diamonds suspect in =
carbon=20
  deposits, I <SPAN class=3DSpellE>gotta</SPAN> say I took that info off =
of <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>anouther</SPAN> Diablo Canyon <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>canyon</SPAN>=20
  meteorite sale on <SPAN class=3DSpellE>ebay</SPAN> so I have no facts =
on that at=20
  all. <BR>  <SPAN class=3DSpellE>Gotta</SPAN> say I am a little =
tired of=20
  suspect experts telling me about things they don't <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>apper</SPAN> to know much more about than I do!  =
You think I=20
  would put up with all these questions, if I was up to <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>sometihing</SPAN>.  I stand by my reputation, =
these=20
  specimens are as defined.  I wish you were here to take a closer=20
  look.  I have 100% positive feedback and plan on it staying that =
way, and=20
  provide money back if not satisfied! <BR>  I<SPAN =
class=3DGramE> =20
  guess</SPAN> I will keep selling this insane stuff! <BR><SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE>Sincerly</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3DGramE>=20
  <BR>Dan</SPAN> Ray <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Ian=20
  Barrett wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE=20
  namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20
  name=3D"time"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE=20
  namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20
  name=3D"date"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE>Can you explain your job as a metal =
inspector as=20
  I don’t know what DOD stands =
for?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why do you not show a =
picture of=20
  the etched slice with <SPAN class=3DSpellE>Widmanstatten</SPAN> =
pattern?=20
  There is nothing showing it on the <SPAN =
class=3DSpellE>pics</SPAN> on=20
  your <SPAN class=3DSpellE>ebay</SPAN> =
ad.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>=20
  <o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Anyone with any =
metallurgical=20
  knowledge would know that an iron-nickel sample could never contain=20
  gold.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for your spurious =
semi-claim=20
  that it MAY contain diamonds! Come <SPAN class=3DGramE>on =
!</SPAN> Please=20
  provide me <SPAN class=3DSpellE>meteoritical</SPAN> evidence that =
Canyon=20
  Diablo has EVER been found with diamonds in the=20
  matrix?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P>I believe you =
are=20
  already being investigated with regards to your claims that the=20
  ’</SPAN></FONT>NEW ENGLAND METEORITICAL SERVICES =
LABORATORY’ have validated=20
  this piece. Maybe they have validated a piece of yours but I find it =
hard to=20
  believe it is THIS piece. Can I see a copy of the certificate and =
where it=20
  refers to THIS <SPAN class=3DGramE>piece.</SPAN><O:P></O:P> =
<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>I would hope you will take this =
item=20
  off-sale as soon as is possible.<O:P></O:P> =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Regards<O:P></O:P>=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P>Ian<O:P></O:P>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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