[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1687 - 21 msgs

From: mafer <mafer_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:40 2004
Message-ID: <005801c31a8e$92d64520$6501a8c0_at_vs.shawcable.net>

Hi John and list
John, I have to agree with your interpetation of the law. Today, the laws
are changing and meteorites are fast becoming classified under the fossil
and antiquities laws and not mineral laws around the world, but Barringer
had, if I'm understanding this properly, a patented claim, which means he
had title to that land, free and clear. You can still aquire land in this
manner today in some states where they allow it and it only takes an annual
fee of $100 and improvements on the land (ie roads, work structure and such)
of $500, to apply for a patent, which is basicly a title to the land. From
then on, you pay taxes on the land. Each claim is for 20 acres (40 I think
in Alaska) and you have to do the improvements on each claim.
So, if they want to build a house in the crater, they actually could, but
they would most certainly be hit with a restraining order from doing so and
at that point the state or the feds might be able to take the land away from
them to preserve the feature.
So, by just charging fees and such, they stay within the limits of the law
and by paying taxes, make the state and feds happy.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: <j.divelbiss_at_att.net>
To: Bob Martino <martino.6_at_osu.edu>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1687 - 21
msgs


> Bob,
>
> Very convincing...you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last
night.
>
> Here is my two cents.
>
> I think the Barringer's have had the opportunity to make enough money on
the
> crater by now. This true wonder of the world is a "one of a kind" crater
that
> belongs to the people of the country it is located in...and should not be
for
> profit. In this case the US park's service, or the state of Arizona itself
> should assume control in the next 10 years I would hope. Then studies such
as
> Steve has suggested could be performed, and a wealth of knowledge could be
> unleashed to a hungry science community that would love to get closer.
>
> john
> > Steve and all,
> >
> > While I know how you feel about Meteor Crater and MCE, I believe that
the
> > Barringer Family's claim on the land is very solid. I don't think that a
big
> > metallic mass is necessary.
> >
> > My understanding of the Mining Act is that you have to TRY and extract
> > commercially valuable minerals for a specific period of time. After the
time
> > is up, the land is yours. It isn't necessary to ACTUALLY remove
minerals, or
> > turn a profit, or even show that the minerals you were looking for are
> > actually there. It is the act of TRYING that makes the land yours. And
> > nobody can fault Daniel Barringer for trying.
> >
> > Given this, I find it hard to fathom why they would say the "main mass"
is
> > still there.
> >
> > Still, I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV either. I could be
> > mistaken. Come to think of it, my understanding of this law comes from
> > reading a book about the crater.
> >
> > The book was published by Meteor Crater Enterprises. :)
> >
> > -----
> > Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ
> >
>
> > Can you really name a star? Read the Truth!
> > http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
> > .
> >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:23:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 11-1950 Nininger, Meteor
Crater
> > Hunt Futile
> > > To: MARK BOSTICK <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>,
> > > Meteorite List <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > >
> > > Mark, and all,
> > >
> > > This is a crucial article countering the mining claims
> > > of Meteor Crater Enterprises, a fact that their guides
> > > miss.
> > >
> > > In 1950, after years of research finding metallic
> > > sphereoids, Nininger proved the equations of Dr.
> > > Moulton who predicted that a large impactor would not
> > > survive the heat generated on impact. Dr. Shoemaker,
> > > later in the early 1960's with his dissertation on
> > > Meteor Crater geology laid out the mechanics of larger
> > > impactors, and further proved that such impactors in
> > > the case of large meteoroids explode in a cloud of
> > > vapor on impact.
> > >
>
> > > All of this in contrast to what Meteor Crater guides
> > > still say:
> > >
> > > "The meteor is under the southern rim, for when a
> > > drill was sent under it, it stopped when hitting a
> > > large (metallic) mass."
> > >
> > > Got to justify the mining claim, I guess...
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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