[meteorite-list] Barringer Meteor $$$$

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From: Mark Miconi <mam602_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:37 2004
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To all those that do not live in Arizona...the reason so much trouble,
exploitation, hassle and all around confusion regarding the crater =
exists is
because it is in ARIZONA. If you do not live here you will never =
understand.

We are the home of Green Bologna, Pink Underwear, Sheriff Joe, The
Alternative Fuels Scandal, and most recently a court that is willing to =
hear
a $42 million dollar lawsuit by illegal aliens in our state whose family
members died in the desert due to our not erecting water stations so =
they
can enter our country illegally without fear of dying of thirst in the
desert. Now not that I am so cold as to not care about human life, but =
if
you are going to break international law, illegally cross an =
international
border, trust your life to a coyote who only cares about the money your
paying him, and try to cross 500 miles of the most hellish land in the
United States completely unprepared and think that you should be paid =
for
being stupid....then Arizona is the place to be.

If you care about a Crater, urban sprawl, water conservation, pollution =
over
the not so Grand because you can hardly see it Canyon, protection of =
wild
places, overgrazing of the desert by cattle that are not used for human
consumption, then you might consider another state.

If you want Meteor Crater treated correctly, protected and made a
National/Natural monument then the solution is simple....Move the crater =
to
another state. Hard as that sounds...if you lobby the right politicians =
in
Arizona you will probably find enough of them that will agree with you =
and
fund the project with state tax dollars...after all our schools are =
ranked
almost dead last in this country so if the politician(s) is/are native =
to
Arizona...he/she/they won't be much smarter than your average shoe.

Sorry for ranting...but unless you live here you will never understand =
this
state.

Thanks for listening...

Mark M.
Phoenix AZ

 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: MeteorHntr_at_aol.com=20
 To: steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com ; thebigcollector@msn.com ; =
knudson911_at_frontiernet.net ; mlblood@cox.net ; StarHarvest@aol.com ; =
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Barringer Meteor $$$$

 Hello steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com,

 In reference to your comment:

 =E8 "Why is this crater not owned by the Government and
 =E8 preserved under the National Park Service?

 Why? Maybe because they pay a lot of sales, property and income taxes =
to their county and state governments. =20

 I would never accuse any one of paying officials under the table, yet =
it is funny how alleged meteorite poachers are treated up there when =
caught. I call them "alleged meteorite poachers" since I don't think =
anyone has EVER been convicted of hunting or removing meteorites from =
the Crater area. Charges are made, but they always seem to get =
mysteriously dropped before the cases get to court. As Schoner would =
say "Humm...."

 Oh, I think the Barringer's pay off (excuse me, I meant to day =
"donate" to) the Meteoritical Society a couple of thousand dollars a =
year don't they?

 You know, my guess is that the real reason that the crater makes, what =
over 1,000,000 visitors a year times $14 each minus their huge (couple =
hundred thousand dollar) overhead expenses plus gift shop revenues is =
because there hasn't been a big enough stink made to the right =
government officials.

 It seems that Schoner in the past has done a bit of effort, but maybe =
the people who read his letters just don't care enough to do something =
about it. And if they are complaining to local politicians who might =
have personal agendas to do favors for the Barringers, then those are =
not the politicians one should be talking to. Maybe contacting a =
non-incumbant person running for that particular congress seat BEFORE =
they get elected might be worth while.

 Maybe those of us on the list that feel passionate about this could =
all right our respective congressmen and women. If there was actually a =
little bit of money that could be raised, a well placed billboard in the =
region (like on that long road up to the Crater) might be cost =
efficient. Maybe with a website "www.FreeTheCrater.com" printed on it.

 Not that Geoff Notkin would want to do anything in the way of a "write =
your congressman" campaign (I would never want to commit him to such a =
project without him volunteering himself) but if he did, there is no one =
in the world that I have ever met that has been able to do 1/10 of what =
he has been able to do in the past when it comes to getting the written =
complaint letters to the right people to get amazing things changed. =20

 Anyway, just my 2 grams of shale oxides worth...

 Steve=20

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<DIV>To all those that do not live in =
Arizona...the=20
reason so much trouble, exploitation, hassle and all around confusion =

regarding the crater exists is because it is in ARIZONA. If you do =
not live=20
here you will never understand. We are the home of Green Bologna, =
Pink=20
Underwear, Sheriff Joe, The Alternative Fuels Scandal, and most =
recently a=20
court that is willing to hear a $42 million dollar lawsuit by illegal =
aliens=20
in our state whose family members died in the desert due to our not =
erecting=20
water stations so they can enter our country illegally without fear =
of dying=20
of thirst in the desert. Now not that I am so cold as to not care =
about human=20
life, but if you are going to break international law, illegally =
cross an=20
international border, trust your life to a coyote who only cares =
about the=20
money your paying him, and try to cross 500 miles of the most hellish =
land in=20
the United States completely unprepared and think that you should be =
paid=20
for being stupid....then Arizona is the place to be. If you =
care about=20
a Crater, urban sprawl, water conservation, pollution over the not so =
Grand=20
because you can hardly see it Canyon, protection of wild places, =
overgrazing=20
of the desert by cattle that are not used for human consumption, then =
you=20
might consider another state. If you want Meteor Crater treated=20
correctly, protected and made a National/Natural monument then the =
solution=20
is simple....Move the crater to another state. Hard as that =
sounds...if you=20
lobby the right politicians in Arizona you will probably find enough =
of them=20
that will agree with you and fund the project with state tax =
dollars...after=20
all our schools are ranked almost dead last in this country so if the =

politician(s) is/are native to Arizona...he/she/they won't be much =
smarter=20
than your average shoe. Sorry for ranting...but unless you live =
here you=20
will never understand this state. Thanks for =
listening... Mark=20
M. Phoenix AZ </DIV>
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 <A href=3D"mailto:MeteorHntr_at_aol.com"=20
 title=3DMeteorHntr_at_aol.com>MeteorHntr@aol.com</A> </DIV>
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 href=3D"mailto:steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com"=20
 title=3Dsteve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>steve_schoner@yahoo.com</A> ; <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:thebigcollector_at_msn.com"=20
 title=3Dthebigcollector_at_msn.com>thebigcollector@msn.com</A> ; <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:knudson911_at_frontiernet.net"=20
 title=3Dknudson911_at_frontiernet.net>knudson911@frontiernet.net</A> ; <A =

 href=3D"mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net" =
title=3Dmlblood_at_cox.net>mlblood@cox.net</A> ; <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:StarHarvest_at_aol.com"=20
 title=3DStarHarvest_at_aol.com>StarHarvest@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
 =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A>=20
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] =
Barringer=20
 Meteor $$$$</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV>Hello <A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com">steve_schoner@yahoo.com</A>, <=
BR><FONT=20
 color=3D#ff0000 face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In reference to your comment: =E8 "Why is=20
 this crater not owned by the Government and =E8<FONT=20
 color=3D#808080 face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> preserved under the National Park =
Service?<FONT=20
 color=3D#000000 face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> Why?  Maybe because they pay a lot =
of sales,=20
 property and income taxes to their county and state governments.  =

 I would never accuse any one of paying officials under the =
table, yet=20
 it is funny how alleged meteorite poachers are treated up there when=20
 caught.  I call them "alleged meteorite poachers" since I don't =
think=20
 anyone has EVER been convicted of hunting or removing meteorites from =
the=20
 Crater area.  Charges are made, but they always seem to get =
mysteriously=20
 dropped before the cases get to court.  As Schoner would say=20
 "Humm...." Oh, I think the Barringer's pay off (excuse me, I =
meant to=20
 day "donate" to) the Meteoritical Society a couple of thousand dollars =
a year=20
 don't they? You know, my guess is that the real reason that the =
crater=20
 makes, what over 1,000,000 visitors a year times $14 each minus their =
huge=20
 (couple hundred thousand dollar) overhead expenses plus gift shop =
revenues is=20
 because there hasn't been a big enough stink made to the right =
government=20
 officials. It seems that Schoner in the past has done a bit of =
effort,=20
 but maybe the people who read his letters just don't care enough to do =

 something about it.  And if they are complaining to local =
politicians who=20
 might have personal agendas to do favors for the Barringers, then =
those are=20
 not the politicians one should be talking to.  Maybe contacting a =

 non-incumbant person running for that particular congress seat BEFORE =
they get=20
 elected might be worth while. Maybe those of us on the list =
that feel=20
 passionate about this could all right our respective congressmen and=20
 women.  If there was actually a little bit of money that could be =
raised,=20
 a well placed billboard in the region (like on that long road up to =
the=20
 Crater) might be cost efficient.  Maybe with a website=20
 "www.FreeTheCrater.com" printed on it. Not that Geoff Notkin =
would want=20
 to do anything in the way of a "write your congressman" campaign (I =
would=20
 never want to commit him to such a project without him volunteering =
himself)=20
 but if he did, there is no one in the world that I have ever met that =
has been=20
 able to do 1/10 of what he has been able to do in the past when it =
comes to=20
 getting the written complaint letters to the right people to get =
amazing=20
 things changed.  Anyway, just my 2 grams of shale oxides=20
 worth... Steve </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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