[meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest
From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:21:01 2004 Message-ID: <007c01c345d5$34514dc0$8b31ef42_at_computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3459A.8668C880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, and is not Chicago called "The Windy City" ?=20 We are not talking a very far off course. The smaller stones seem to be = less than a quarter to half mile to the east, that is nothing when = something is falling from space. Steger is just on the other side of the = road from Park Forest, not really like out west here where one town is = 30 or 40 miles to the next. To me this strewnfield looks absolutely = perfect, if not just a tad scewed like (I think) by the wind.=20 Mike Farmer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rob Wesel=20 To: Michael Farmer ; Thetoprok_at_aol.com ; almitt@kconline.com=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide = Over Park Forest The DOD says the fireball went like this / The recovery of pieces say they fell like this \ The overlay then looks like this X or this ^ Mike's high winds could support the ^ overlay with Olympia Fields = being the apex, the largest stones are from that area. But those winds would have to be really blowing to whip ALL the smalls = to the other side. What a nifty deal. -- Rob Wesel ------------------ We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Farmer=20 To: Thetoprok_at_aol.com ; almitt@kconline.com=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest Also, if the fall is SW to NE, and so far we see most small stones = to the south and south east of the large stones, would this not also be = affected by upper level winds? High winds can cause the smaller stones = to drift, meaning that this strewnfield would thus be perfectly normal.=20 Yes, strewnfields can be reversed, Portales Valley was a perfect = example, without exception, the largest stones all fell to the back and = the small stones fell later. This is due to low exploding of the = meteorite forcing the larger stones down.=20 Mike Farmer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thetoprok_at_aol.com=20 To: almitt_at_kconline.com=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 = Bolide Over Park Forest Hi Al, Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs in his collection too, it was a bit = disappointing, but he did not try very hard to convince me that they = were meteorites when I told him they were slag. I asked if he was = including them in his data and he said no. Is that really true? I don't = know.=20 He did have some nice individuals and fragments however, and = claimed his strewn field info came from real meteorites,some gathered by = people whose names I recognized.Some of the coordinates included a = bunch that were sold by the local Postmaster, who supposedly got most of = his stones from another man I met out there that was a local, and rather = proficient at finding the stones in the opening days of the fall. Even though Atul may not be completely reliable, the fact remains = that the larger stones are N.W. of the smaller ones, contradicting the = Satellite info.... unless of course there is such a thing as a reverse = fall! Adam, I never heard of that, is this like the April fools joke = about Venus? Please elaborate on this, I would like to know what falls = have a reverse distribution of material, that seems to defy the rules! = Mass and velocity, blah blah... you know, that physics stuff How can it = possibly be backward? Larry ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3459A.8668C880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, and is not Chicago called "The = Windy City" ?=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We are not talking a very far off = course. The=20 smaller stones seem to be less than a quarter to half mile to the east, = that is=20 nothing when something is falling from space. Steger is just on the = other side=20 of the road from Park Forest, not really like out west here where one = town is 30=20 or 40 miles to the next. To me this strewnfield looks absolutely = perfect, if not=20 just a tad scewed like (I think) by the wind. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DNakhladog_at_comcast.net = href=3D"mailto:Nakhladog_at_comcast.net">Rob=20 Wesel</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net=20 href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael Farmer</A> ; <A=20 title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com = href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com">Thetoprok@aol.com</A>=20 ; <A title=3Dalmitt_at_kconline.com=20 href=3D"mailto:almitt_at_kconline.com">almitt@kconline.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 = 9:40=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The DOD says the fireball went like = this=20 /</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The recovery of pieces say they fell = like this=20 \</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The overlay then looks like this X or = this=20 ^</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike's high winds could support the ^ = overlay=20 with Olympia Fields being the apex, the largest stones are from that=20 area.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But those winds would have to be = really blowing=20 to whip ALL the smalls to the other side.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What a nifty deal.<BR>--<BR>Rob=20 Wesel<BR>------------------<BR>We are the music makers...and we are = the=20 dreamers of the dreams.<BR>Willy Wonka, 1971</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net = href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael=20 Farmer</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com">Thetoprok@aol.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dalmitt_at_kconline.com=20 href=3D"mailto:almitt_at_kconline.com">almitt@kconline.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 = 9:07=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, if the fall is SW to NE, and = so far we=20 see most small stones to the south and south east of the large = stones, would=20 this not also be affected by upper level winds? High winds can cause = the=20 smaller stones to drift, meaning that this strewnfield would thus be = perfectly normal. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, strewnfields can be reversed, = Portales=20 Valley was a perfect example, without exception, the largest stones = all fell=20 to the back and the small stones fell later. This is due to low = exploding of=20 the meteorite forcing the larger stones down. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com">Thetoprok@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dalmitt_at_kconline.com=20 href=3D"mailto:almitt_at_kconline.com">almitt@kconline.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, = 2003 8:54=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [meteorite-list] DOD=20 Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Hi Al,<BR>Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs = in his=20 collection too, it was a bit disappointing, but he did not try = very hard=20 to convince me that they were meteorites when I told him they were = slag. I=20 asked if he was including them in his data and he said no. Is that = really=20 true? I don't know. <BR>He did have some nice individuals and = fragments=20 however, and claimed his strewn field info came from real = meteorites,some=20 gathered by people whose names I recognized.Some of the = coordinates=20 included a bunch that were sold by the local Postmaster, who = supposedly=20 got most of his stones from another man I met out there that was a = local,=20 and rather proficient at finding the stones in the opening days of = the=20 fall.<BR>Even though Atul may not be completely reliable, the fact = remains=20 that the larger stones are N.W. of the smaller ones, contradicting = the=20 Satellite info.... unless of course there is such a thing as a = reverse=20 fall! Adam, I never heard of that, is this like the April = fools joke=20 about Venus? Please elaborate on this, I would like to know what = falls=20 have a reverse distribution of material, that seems to defy the = rules!=20 Mass and velocity, blah blah... you know, that physics stuff How = can it=20 possibly be=20 backward?<BR>Larry<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FON= T></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C3459A.8668C880-- Received on Wed 09 Jul 2003 12:47:27 AM PDT |
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