[meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest

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From: Rob Wesel <Nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:21:01 2004
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The DOD says the fireball went like this /
The recovery of pieces say they fell like this \
The overlay then looks like this X or this ^
Mike's high winds could support the ^ overlay with Olympia Fields being =
the apex, the largest stones are from that area.
But those winds would have to be really blowing to whip ALL the smalls =
to the other side.
What a nifty deal.

--
Rob Wesel
------------------
We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Michael Farmer=20
  To: Thetoprok_at_aol.com ; almitt@kconline.com=20
  Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide =
Over Park Forest
  Also, if the fall is SW to NE, and so far we see most small stones to =
the south and south east of the large stones, would this not also be =
affected by upper level winds? High winds can cause the smaller stones =
to drift, meaning that this strewnfield would thus be perfectly normal.=20
  Yes, strewnfields can be reversed, Portales Valley was a perfect =
example, without exception, the largest stones all fell to the back and =
the small stones fell later. This is due to low exploding of the =
meteorite forcing the larger stones down.=20
  Mike Farmer
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Thetoprok_at_aol.com=20
    To: almitt_at_kconline.com=20
    Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:54 PM
    Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DOD Satellites Detect March 2003 =
Bolide Over Park Forest
    Hi Al,
    Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs in his collection too, it was a bit =
disappointing, but he did not try very hard to convince me that they =
were meteorites when I told him they were slag. I asked if he was =
including them in his data and he said no. Is that really true? I don't =
know.=20
    He did have some nice individuals and fragments however, and claimed =
his strewn field info came from real meteorites,some gathered by people =
whose names I recognized.Some of the  coordinates included a bunch that =
were sold by the local Postmaster, who supposedly got most of his stones =
from another man I met out there that was a local, and rather proficient =
at finding the stones in the opening days of the fall.
    Even though Atul may not be completely reliable, the fact remains =
that the larger stones are N.W. of the smaller ones, contradicting the =
Satellite info.... unless of course there is such a thing as a reverse =
fall!  Adam, I never heard of that, is this like the April fools joke =
about Venus? Please elaborate on this, I would like to know what falls =
have a reverse distribution of material, that seems to defy the rules! =
Mass and velocity, blah blah... you know, that physics stuff How can it =
possibly be backward?
    Larry
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The DOD says the fireball went like =
this=20
/</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The recovery of pieces say they fell =
like this=20
\</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The overlay then looks like this X or =
this=20
^</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike's high winds could support the ^ =
overlay with=20
Olympia Fields being the apex, the largest stones are from that=20
area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But those winds would have to be really =
blowing to=20
whip&nbsp;ALL the smalls to the other side.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What a nifty deal.<BR>--<BR>Rob=20
Wesel<BR>------------------<BR>We are the music makers...and we are the =
dreamers=20
of the dreams.<BR>Willy Wonka, 1971</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net =
href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael=20
  Farmer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com">Thetoprok@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dalmitt_at_kconline.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:almitt_at_kconline.com">almitt@kconline.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 =
9:07=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
DOD=20
  Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, if the fall is SW to NE, and so =
far we see=20
  most small stones to the south and south east of the large stones, =
would this=20
  not also be affected by upper level winds? High winds can cause the =
smaller=20
  stones to drift, meaning that this strewnfield would thus be perfectly =
normal.=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, strewnfields can be reversed, =
Portales=20
  Valley was a perfect example, without exception, the largest stones =
all fell=20
  to the back and the small stones fell later. This is due to low =
exploding of=20
  the meteorite forcing the larger stones down. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3DThetoprok_at_aol.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Thetoprok_at_aol.com">Thetoprok@aol.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dalmitt_at_kconline.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:almitt_at_kconline.com">almitt@kconline.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
    title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 =
8:54=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
DOD=20
    Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over Park Forest</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Hi Al,<BR>Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs in =
his=20
    collection too, it was a bit disappointing, but he did not try very =
hard to=20
    convince me that they were meteorites when I told him they were =
slag. I=20
    asked if he was including them in his data and he said no. Is that =
really=20
    true? I don't know. <BR>He did have some nice individuals and =
fragments=20
    however, and claimed his strewn field info came from real =
meteorites,some=20
    gathered by people whose names I recognized.Some of the&nbsp; =
coordinates=20
    included a bunch that were sold by the local Postmaster, who =
supposedly got=20
    most of his stones from another man I met out there that was a =
local, and=20
    rather proficient at finding the stones in the opening days of the=20
    fall.<BR>Even though Atul may not be completely reliable, the fact =
remains=20
    that the larger stones are N.W. of the smaller ones, contradicting =
the=20
    Satellite info.... unless of course there is such a thing as a =
reverse=20
    fall!&nbsp; Adam, I never heard of that, is this like the April =
fools joke=20
    about Venus? Please elaborate on this, I would like to know what =
falls have=20
    a reverse distribution of material, that seems to defy the rules! =
Mass and=20
    velocity, blah blah... you know, that physics stuff How can it =
possibly be=20
    =
backward?<BR>Larry<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HT=
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