[meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING
From: Howard Wu <freewu2000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:20:58 2004 Message-ID: <20030703214843.77215.qmail_at_web9305.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1814329772-1057268923=:76937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are forgeting traders: people who get extra meteorites so they can trade them for other hard to get meteortites. (i.e. Your money is no good here.) There's quite a few people in this catagory. Myself, I have a hard time parting with anything yet. But there are some specimens that can only be had by trading. Wouldn't most museums curators be in this group. Howard Wu Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net> wrote: Hello Pekka and list, I think there is many categories, 1, collectors who only sell their surplus, 2, dealers that only sell and do not collect, like Dean Bessey, 3, dealer/ collectors that do both. Then there are the collectors, the collector/ hunters, the dealer/ hunters, and the collectors/dealer/hunters. Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pekka Savolainen To: Adam Hupe Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING Hello, Adam and the list, very strong arguments, and when thinking these, I have to get back some words from my former mail. In some cases itīs possible to be both, a collector and a dealer. If we think the meteorites as scientific objects, itīs impossible for universities and public labs to make study without collectors / dealers and their specimens and in fact with their money. The goal in this case is not money, so I have to accept the cllector-dealer combination. Anyway, if the main thing is just to make money and as fast as possible, there is nothing to do with collecting. Itīs pure dealing, no matter what you are dealing, meteorites or used cars. best regards, pekka Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, We consider ourselves collectors first not dealers. We have spent way more than we have sold. I feel some of the qualifications for a true dealer are: Knowing what you are selling meaning having meteorites classified whenever possible Possessing an excellent knowledge of the subject Having a long-term business plan Standing behind what you are selling Knowing what the market will bear (fair pricing) so that you will be around for awhile Knowing the ratio between ordinary meteorites and rare ones and pricing accordingly Preparing or having material prepared properly Depositing proper sized type specimens Promoting meteoritics Donating material to non-profit organizations to further promote meteorites Protecting customers long-term interests by providing accurate TKWs Working closely with the scientific community Keeping track of your inventory meaning cataloging and labeling Above all being honest I am sure a lot more can be added to this list. Best Wishes Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Freeman" <dfreeman_at_fascination.com> To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING Dear List; A recent post seemed to repeatedly shuffle my quaff. How do we classify a dealer and why? If a person sells a few meteorites for money to buy more meteorites to add to his collection, is that a dealer? If a person like myself who sells a kilo or two a year to promote the hobby and make a buck (not much more than that) is that a dealer? Do we have to make a living, or a substantial part of our income from meteorites to be judged a true dealer? Seems to me that anyone who "deals" is a dealer. Suppose in the old times to some of us, sell three and get the forth one for free. Any comments welcomed. Works for me, Dave Freeman (no big deal) WMA sales professional of the year ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger --0-1814329772-1057268923=:76937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>We are forgeting traders: people who get extra meteorites so they can trade them for other hard to get meteortites. (i.e. Your money is no good here.) There's quite a few people in this catagory. Myself, I have a hard time parting with anything yet. But there are some specimens that can only be had by trading. Wouldn't most museums curators be in this group. </DIV> <DIV>Howard Wu<BR><BR><B><I>Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; WIDTH: 100%"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Pekka and list, I think there is many categories, 1, collectors who only sell their surplus, 2, dealers that only sell and do not collect, like Dean Bessey, 3, dealer/ collectors that do both. Then there are the collectors, the collector/ hunters, the dealer/ hunters, and the collectors/dealer/hunters.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks, Tom<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA 6168</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi href="mailto:pekka.savolainen@dlc.fi">Pekka Savolainen</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=adamhupe_at_comcast.net href="mailto:adamhupe@comcast.net">Adam Hupe</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:34 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Hello, Adam and the list,<BR><BR>very strong arguments, and when thinking these, I have to get back <BR>some words from my former mail. In some cases itīs possible to be<BR>both, a collector and a dealer.<BR>If we think the meteorites as scientific objects, itīs impossible for <BR>universities and public labs to make study without collectors / dealers<BR>and their specimens and in fact with their money. The goal in this case<BR>is not money, so I have to accept the cllector-dealer combination.<BR><BR>Anyway, if the main thing is just to make money and as fast as possible,<BR>there is nothing to do with collecting. Itīs pure dealing, no matter what <BR>you are dealing, meteorites or used cars.<BR><BR>best regards,<BR><BR>pekka<BR><BR>Adam Hupe wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:001d01c341a7$23425740$b4dbe60c_at_attbi.com type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Dear List,<BR><BR>We consider ourselves collectors first not dealers. We have spent way more<BR>than we have sold. I feel some of the qualifications for a true dealer are:<BR><BR>Knowing what you are selling meaning having meteorites classified whenever<BR>possible<BR>Possessing an excellent knowledge of the subject<BR>Having a long-term business plan<BR>Standing behind what you are selling<BR>Knowing what the market will bear (fair pricing) so that you will be around<BR>for awhile<BR>Knowing the ratio between ordinary meteorites and rare ones and pricing<BR>accordingly<BR>Preparing or having material prepared properly<BR>Depositing proper sized type specimens<BR>Promoting meteoritics<BR>Donating material to non-profit organizations to further promote meteorites<BR>Protecting customers long-term interests by providing accurate TKWs<BR>Working closely with the scientific community<BR>Keeping track of your inventory meaning cataloging and labeling<BR>Above all being honest<BR><BR>I am sure a lot more can be added to this list.<BR><BR>Best Wishes<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "David Freeman" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:dfreeman_at_fascination.com"><dfreeman@fascination.com></A><BR>To: "meteorite-list" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"><meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com></A><BR>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:31 PM<BR>Subject: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING<BR><BR><BR></PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Dear List;<BR>A recent post seemed to repeatedly shuffle my quaff. How do we<BR>classify a dealer and why? If a person sells a few meteorites for<BR>money to buy more meteorites to add to his collection, is that a dealer?<BR> If a person like myself who sells a kilo or two a year to promote the<BR>hobby and make a buck (not much more than that) is that a dealer? Do we<BR>have to make a living, or a substantial part of our income from<BR>meteorites to be judged a true dealer? Seems to me that anyone who<BR>"deals" is a dealer. Suppose in the old times to some of us, sell three<BR>and get the forth one for free.<BR>Any comments welcomed.<BR>Works for me,<BR>Dave Freeman<BR>(no big deal)<BR>WMA sales professional of the year<BR><BR><BR>______________________________________________<BR>Meteorite-list mailing list<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A><BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><BR><BR>______________________________________________<BR>Meteorite-list mailing list<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A><BR><BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="$mailwrapcol">-- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin</A> Group Email Address: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</A> </PRE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><p><hr size=1><font face="Arial" size="2">Want to chat instantly with your online friends? <a href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/"><b>Get the FREE Yahoo! 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