[meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING

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From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:20:58 2004
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Hello Pekka and list, I think there is many categories, 1, collectors =
who only sell their surplus, 2, dealers that only sell and do not =
collect, like Dean Bessey, 3, dealer/ collectors that do both. Then =
there are the collectors, the collector/ hunters, the dealer/ hunters, =
and the collectors/dealer/hunters.
Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Pekka Savolainen=20
 To: Adam Hupe=20
 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING

 Hello, Adam and the list,

 very strong arguments, and when thinking these, I have to get back=20
 some words from my former mail. In some cases it=B4s possible to be
 both, a collector and a dealer.
 If we think the meteorites as scientific objects, it=B4s impossible =
for=20
 universities and public labs to make study without collectors / =
dealers
 and their specimens and in fact with their money. The goal in this =
case
 is not money, so I have to accept the cllector-dealer combination.

 Anyway, if the main thing is just to make money and as fast as =
possible,
 there is nothing to do with collecting. It=B4s pure dealing, no matter =
what=20
 you are dealing, meteorites or used cars.

 best regards,

 pekka

 Adam Hupe wrote:

Dear List,We consider ourselves collectors first not dealers. We have =
spent way morethan we have sold. I feel some of the qualifications for =
a true dealer are:Knowing what you are selling meaning having meteorites =
classified wheneverpossiblePossessing an excellent knowledge of the =
subjectHaving a long-term business planStanding behind what you are =
sellingKnowing what the market will bear (fair pricing) so that you will =
be aroundfor awhileKnowing the ratio between ordinary meteorites and =
rare ones and pricingaccordinglyPreparing or having material prepared =
properlyDepositing proper sized type specimensPromoting =
meteoriticsDonating material to non-profit organizations to further =
promote meteoritesProtecting customers long-term interests by providing =
accurate TKWsWorking closely with the scientific communityKeeping track =
of your inventory meaning cataloging and labelingAbove all
being honestI am sure a lot more can be added to this list.Best =
WishesAdam----- Original Message -----From: "David Freeman" =
<dfreeman_at_fascination.com>To: "meteorite-list" =
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:31 =
PMSubject: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING
Dear List;A recent post seemed to repeatedly shuffle my quaff. How =
do weclassify a dealer and why? If a person sells a few meteorites =
formoney to buy more meteorites to add to his collection, is that a =
dealer? If a person like myself who sells a kilo or two a year to =
promote thehobby and make a buck (not much more than that) is that a =
dealer? Do wehave to make a living, or a substantial part of our income =
frommeteorites to be judged a true dealer? Seems to me that anyone =
who"deals" is a dealer. Suppose in the old times to some of us, sell =
threeand get the forth one for free.Any comments welcomed.Works for =
me,Dave Freeman(no big deal)WMA sales professional of the =
year______________________________________________Meteorite-list mailing =
listMeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.comhttp://www.pairlist.net/mailman/li=
stinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________Meteorite-list mailing =
listMeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.comhttp://www.pairlist.net/mailman/li=
stinfo/meteorite-list

--=20

Pekka Savolainen
Jokiharjuntie 4
FIN-71330 Rasala
FINLAND

+ 358 400 818 912

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<DIV>Hello Pekka and list, I think there is many =
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collectors who only sell their surplus, 2, dealers that only sell and do =
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collect, like Dean Bessey, 3, dealer/ collectors that do both. Then =
there are=20
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collectors/dealer/hunters.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA=20
6168</DIV>
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 DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV> Hello, Adam and the list, very strong =
arguments, and=20
 when thinking these, I have to get back some words from my former =
mail. In=20
 some cases it=B4s possible to be both, a collector and a =
dealer. If we=20
 think the meteorites as scientific objects, it=B4s impossible for=20
 universities and public labs to make study without collectors /=20
 dealers and their specimens and in fact with their money. The goal =
in this=20
 case is not money, so I have to accept the cllector-dealer=20
 combination. Anyway, if the main thing is just to make money =
and as=20
 fast as possible, there is nothing to do with collecting. It=B4s =
pure=20
 dealing, no matter what you are dealing, meteorites or used=20
 cars. best regards, pekka Adam Hupe wrote: 
 <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"mid:001d01c341a7$23425740$b4dbe60c_at_attbi.com" =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Dear List, We consider ourselves =
collectors first not dealers. We have spent way more than we have =
sold. I feel some of the qualifications for a true dealer =
are: Knowing what you are selling meaning having meteorites =
classified whenever possible Possessing an excellent knowledge of =
the subject Having a long-term business plan Standing behind what =
you are selling Knowing what the market will bear (fair pricing) so =
that you will be around for awhile Knowing the ratio between =
ordinary meteorites and rare ones and =
pricing accordingly Preparing or having material prepared =
properly Depositing proper sized type specimens Promoting =
meteoritics Donating material to non-profit organizations to further =
promote meteorites Protecting customers long-term interests by =
providing accurate TKWs Working closely with the scientific =
community Keeping track of your inventory meaning cataloging and =
labeling Above all
being honest I am sure a lot more can be added to this =
list. Best Wishes Adam ----- Original =
Message ----- From: "David Freeman" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:dfreeman_at_fascination.com"><dfreeman@fascination.com>=
</A> To: "meteorite-list" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"><meteorite-list@me=
teoritecentral.com></A> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:31 =
PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO =
JUDGING </PRE>
 <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Dear List; A recent post =
seemed to repeatedly shuffle my quaff. How do we classify a =
dealer and why? If a person sells a few meteorites for money to buy =
more meteorites to add to his collection, is that a dealer? If a =
person like myself who sells a kilo or two a year to promote =
the hobby and make a buck (not much more than that) is that a dealer? =
Do we have to make a living, or a substantial part of our income =
from meteorites to be judged a true dealer? Seems to me that anyone =
who "deals" is a dealer. Suppose in the old times to some of us, =
sell three and get the forth one for free. Any comments =
welcomed. Works for me, Dave Freeman (no big deal) WMA sales =
professional of the =
year ______________________________________________ Meteori=
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+ 358 400 818 912

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