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From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com <MexicoDoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:17:48 2004
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Thanks Dan, Ken, and those of you who kindly responded p=E9rsonally,

Regarding Allende (lack of its mention), the preface of the book is dated=20
Sedona, July, 1972. Maybe Dan is right, and maybe the date was anticipated=20=
or=20
something similar. Though I can't find it at the moment (searching in book)=
, I=20
thought he made some comments in the text suggesting prior recoveries of Lun=
ar=20
rocks. The first manned landing was July 20, 1969,the remarks didn't seem=20
definitive though.......??

Also, it is interesting to see a full page decked out in duds, picture of=20
Charlie Brown (the cowboy who captured Pasamonte falling on film), but not t=
he=20
photo itself...One kind listmember pointed out to me it was apparently in a=20
later editionm of the book...
Thanks...and the questions are still open!

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

En un mensaje con fecha 12/15/2003 10:03:02 AM Mexico Standard Time,=20
dwray_at_wideopenwest.com escribe:

>=20
> Doug, Kevin and all,
> =20
> Allende fell February 8,1969 and Nininger's book "Find a Falling Star" was=
=20
> published in 1972. I find no reference to Allende in the index. The book=
may=20
> have been finished by the time of the fall or at a stage with the publishe=
r=20
> that precluded any changes.
> =20
> Dan Wray
> COMETS
> =20
> >> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: Kevin Fly Hill=20
>> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment (Nininger questions)
>> =20
>>=20
>> "What were Nininger's comments on "Allende"...I am surprised it didn't ma=
ke=20
>> his book?"
>> =20
>> Doug,
>> I don't have my copy of "Catch a Falling Star" with me (it's on my=20
>> nightstand at the house), but I am almost sure that it was published befo=
re=20
>> Allende happened. I sure other's can give exact dates'
>> Fly Hill
>> =20
>>=20
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20
>>> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:15 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment (Nininger questions)
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> Last night I visited a friend who had ... to my surprise ... found an=20
>>> original of the FIND A FALLING STAR book on his shelf. He gladly lent i=
t to me=20
>>> on request, and last night rather than sleeping much I had a Nininger=20
>>> Moment.
>>>=20
>>> Has anyone ever recovered meteorites from the November 9, 1923 fall ?
>>>=20
>>> Where is the "crowbar" from the blacksmith from the Toluca fall presentl=
y?
>>>=20
>>> What is a ballpark worth of the collection he described as US $530,000=20
>>> today?
>>>=20
>>> What happened to the American Meteorite Laboratory and its equipment?
>>>=20
>>> How many of "recognized" recoveries in the 20th century (1901-2000, or=20
>>> 1900-1999, take your pick) were credited to Nininger? An estimate is OK=
if=20
>>> the tally of the total isn't yet known!
>>>=20
>>> Where can we see, online, cowboy Charlie Brown's famous fireball photo?
>>>=20
>>> Is the semantics of the word meteorite worked out yet? Is a rock in spa=
ce=20
>>> a meteorite (Nininger calls it that, and makes no use of the term=20
>>> meteoroid)?
>>>=20
>>> Inspired:
>>>=20
>>> Do all oriented meteorites tend to a predictable "nose cone" shape? Wha=
t=20
>>> is known about the resulting ablated shapes (hemisphere, hemi-ellipse, s=
um=20
>>> of them, other)?
>>> Are individual chondrules thought to be still floating around in space,=20
>>> and/or a significant part of the "dust" meteors observed outside of mete=
or=20
>>> showers (to remove the cometary particles)?
>>>=20
>>> What were Nininger's comments on "Allende"...I am surprised it didn't ma=
ke=20
>>> his book?
>>>=20
>>> Is an Aerolite not an OK term in English for an iron? In French?
>>>=20
>>> Theoretically, how big of a piece of ice (perfect sphere) would be neede=
d=20
>>> at a common entry velocity and angle and average atmospheric temp.,=20
>>> hypothetically, if it didn't fracture, to not melt/vaporize and touch gr=
ound. For=20
>>> a rough idea...
>>>=20
>>> Related for fun:
>>> Should a meteorite impacting a satellite and subsequently recovered be=20
>>> called a meteorite? How about if it is an intentional probe (Stardust=20
>>> mission)? Are materials from the falls on Mars correctly called meteori=
tes, or=20
>>> must they be Martian meteorites, Lunar, etc.
>>>=20
>>> Saludos
>>> Doug Dawn
>>> Mexico=20
>>=20
>=20

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<HTML><HTML>Thanks Dan, Ken, and those of you w=
ho kindly responded p=E9rsonally, 
 
Regarding Allende (lack of its mention), the preface of the book is dated Se=
dona, July, 1972.  Maybe Dan is right, and maybe the date was anticipat=
ed or something similar.  Though I can't find it at the moment (searchi=
ng in book), I thought he made some comments in the text suggesting prior re=
coveries of Lunar rocks.  The first manned landing was July 20, 1969,th=
e remarks didn't seem definitive though.......?? 
 
Also, it is interesting to see a full page decked out in duds, picture of Ch=
arlie Brown (the cowboy who captured Pasamonte falling on film), but not the=
photo itself...One kind listmember pointed out to me it was apparently in a=
later editionm of the book... 
Thanks...and the questions are still open! 
 
Saludos 
Doug Dawn 
Mexico 
 
 
 
En un mensaje con fecha 12/15/2003 10:03:02 AM Mexico Standard Time, dwray_at_w=
ideopenwest.com escribe: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> 
Doug, Kevin and all, 
  
Allende fell February 8,1969 and Nininger's book "Find a Falling Star" was=20=
published in 1972.  I find no reference to Allende in the index. =20=
The book may have been finished by the time of the fall or at a stage with t=
he publisher that precluded any changes. 
  
Dan Wray 
COMETS 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- <B=
R>
From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:khill_at_cpsmedical.com">Kevin Fly Hill</A> 
To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-=
list_at_meteoritecentral.com</A> 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment (Nininger questions)<B=
R>
 
 
"What were Nininger's comments on "Allende"...I am surprised it didn't make=20=
his book?" 
  
Doug, 
    I don't have my copy of "Catch a Falling Star" with me (=
it's on my nightstand at the house), but I am almost sure that it was publis=
hed before Allende happened.  I sure other's can give exact dates'</FON=
T> 
Fly Hill 
 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- <=
BR>
From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> <B=
R>
To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-=
list_at_meteoritecentral.com</A> 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:15 PM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment (Nininger questions) 
 
 
Last night I visited a friend who had ... to my surprise ... found an origin=
al of the FIND A FALLING STAR book on his shelf.  He gladly lent it to=20=
me on request, and last night rather than sleeping much I had a Nininger Mom=
ent. 
 
Has anyone ever recovered meteorites from the November 9, 1923 fall ? 
 
Where is the "crowbar" from the blacksmith from the Toluca fall presently?<B=
R>
 
What is a ballpark worth of the collection he described as US $530,000 today=
? 
 
What happened to the American Meteorite Laboratory and its equipment? 
 
How many of "recognized" recoveries in the 20th century (1901-2000, or 1900-=
1999, take your pick) were credited to Nininger?  An estimate is OK if=20=
the tally of the total isn't yet known! 
 
Where can we see, online, cowboy Charlie Brown's famous fireball photo? 
 
Is the semantics of the word meteorite worked out yet?  Is a rock in sp=
ace a meteorite (Nininger calls it that, and makes no use of the term meteor=
oid)? 
 
Inspired: 
 
Do all oriented meteorites tend to a predictable "nose cone" shape?  Wh=
at is known about the resulting ablated shapes (hemisphere, hemi-ellipse, su=
m of them, other)? 
Are individual chondrules thought to be still floating around in space, and/=
or a significant part of the "dust" meteors observed outside of meteor showe=
rs (to remove the cometary particles)? 
 
What were Nininger's comments on "Allende"...I am surprised it didn't make h=
is book? 
 
Is an Aerolite not an OK term in English for an iron?  In French? 
 
Theoretically, how big of a piece of ice (perfect sphere) would be needed at=
a common entry velocity and angle and average atmospheric temp., hypothetic=
ally, if it didn't fracture, to not melt/vaporize and touch ground.  Fo=
r  a rough idea... 
 
Related for fun: 
Should a meteorite impacting a satellite and subsequently recovered be calle=
d a meteorite?  How about if it is an intentional probe (Stardust missi=
on)?  Are materials from the falls on Mars correctly called meteorites,=
or must they be Martian meteorites, Lunar, etc. 
 
Saludos 
Doug Dawn 
Mexico </BLOCKQUOTE> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
</BLOCKQUOTE> 
 
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