[meteorite-list] Elma status

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From: Mark Ferguson <mafer_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:16:37 2004
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Hi List, Charles=20
I would think that all of this is relevant information for future =
meteoritics and other physical sciences. And, my guess is that there =
will be some masters or doctorial papers resulting from these small, =
curious items. The fact that some little analysis has been done would be =
to verify the worthiness of the items for such research. They would have =
to show enough "strangeness" to warrent a research project.
This is something profs are always looking for to further education and =
give students new and unusual items to fathom and pry information from.
I too, would like to see some classifications get done in a more timely =
manner, but I also support educational endevors.
Mark
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Charles R. Viau=20
  To: 'Pekka Savolainen' ; adamhupe_at_comcast.net ; 'Meteorite-list =
Meteoritecentral'=20
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Elma status

  Pekka, Robert Verish and Robert Matson had some excellent comments on =
this, and I wanted to comment back to each.

  =20

  For Pekka,

              Thanks for sharing that data. The chemical analysis looks =
somewhat similar to what I have been told , but does vary. Some people =
I have talked to thought that the total absence of MgO and MnO were just =
as strange. Some said that these were also common impurities in slag, =
especially in minerals related to Ilmenite, and the ratio's and streak =
did not match. Also, the physical characteristics of the individual =
pieces seemed to have a very thin, even coating of the glass and that a =
slag would most likely be homogenous or glass on one side with material =
on the other. who knows. It is real strange and I think that what =
bothers the analysts the most is that they cannot explain how it was =
made. I think an electrical or plasma mechanism is really interesting =
and wonder if there is even enough existing data on such phenomena to =
help them there as well. I also hope that the resulting analysis won't =
require a PhD in petrology to decipher. J=20

  =20

  For Robert M and Robert V,

              I agree that there should be a priority for those that =
have worked so hard and have material in a queue to be examined. I =
wonder if the analysts themselves are really kind of their own boss, and =
perhaps take on what they feel is easy to disprove first, and then get =
wrapped up in the enigma of trying to prove just what it is when it =
cannot be easily explained. And/or it was the immediacy of the Elma =
event, the story content and the speed in which samples were available =
to them.In any case, the NWA thing has hurt a lot of research and NASA =
should never have shut the doors on domestic researchers that have finds =
that have been properly documented. What they needed to do was put =
someone in charge of clearing these finds from the NWA imports based on =
the documentation and credibility of the finders.

  =20

  Thanks,

  Charles, IMCA 4351

  =20

  =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi List, Charles </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would think that all of this is =
relevant=20
information for future meteoritics and other physical sciences. And, my =
guess is=20
that there will be some masters or doctorial papers resulting from these =
small,=20
curious items. The fact that some little analysis has been done would be =
to=20
verify the worthiness of the items for such research. They would have to =
show=20
enough "strangeness" to warrent a research project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is something profs are always =
looking for to=20
further education and give students new and unusual items to fathom and =
pry=20
information from.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I too, would like to see some =
classifications get=20
done in a more timely manner, but I also support educational=20
endevors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dcviau_at_beld.net href=3D"mailto:cviau@beld.net">Charles R. =
Viau</A>=20
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dpekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi=20
  href=3D"mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi">'Pekka Savolainen'</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dadamhupe_at_comcast.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:adamhupe_at_comcast.net">adamhupe@comcast.net</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">'Meteorite-list=20
  Meteoritecentral'</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 =
10:38=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [meteorite-list] =
Elma=20
  status</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DSpellE><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Pekka</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,=20
  </SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Robert =
<SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>Verish</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> and Robert =
Matson=20
  had some excellent comments on this, and I wanted to comment back to=20
  each=85<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>Pekka</SPAN>,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
1">           =20
  </SPAN>Thanks for sharing that data. The chemical analysis looks =
somewhat=20
  similar to what I have been <SPAN class=3DGramE>told ,</SPAN> but does =

  vary.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Some people I =
have talked=20
  to thought that the total absence of <SPAN class=3DSpellE>MgO</SPAN> =
and <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>MnO</SPAN> were just as strange. Some <SPAN =
class=3DGramE>said=20
  <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>that</SPAN> these were =
also=20
  common impurities in slag, especially in minerals related to <SPAN=20
  class=3DSpellE>Ilmenite</SPAN>, and the ratio=92s and streak did not =
match. Also,=20
  the physical characteristics of the individual pieces seemed to have a =
very=20
  thin, even coating of the glass and that a slag would most likely be=20
  homogenous or glass on one side with material on the other=85 who =
knows.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>It is real strange and I =
think that=20
  what bothers the analysts the most is that they cannot explain how it =
was=20
  made.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>I think an =
electrical or=20
  plasma <SPAN class=3DGramE>mechanism is really interesting and =
wonder</SPAN> if=20
  there is even enough existing data on such phenomena to help them =
there as=20
  well. I also hope that the resulting analysis won=92t require a PhD in =
petrology=20
  to decipher=85 </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DWingdings color=3Dnavy =
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Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For Robert =
M and=20
  Robert V,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
1">           =20
  </SPAN>I agree that there should be a priority for those that have =
worked so=20
  hard and have material in a queue to be examined. I wonder if the =
analysts=20
  themselves are really kind of their own boss, and perhaps take on what =
they=20
  feel is easy to disprove first, and then get wrapped up in the enigma =
of=20
  trying to prove just what it is when it cannot be easily explained. =
And/or it=20
  was the immediacy of the Elma event, the story content and the speed =
in which=20
  samples were available to them=85In any case, the NWA thing has hurt a =
lot of=20
  research and NASA should never have shut the doors on domestic =
researchers=20
  that have finds that have been properly documented. What they needed =
to do was=20
  put someone in charge of clearing these finds from the NWA imports =
based on=20
  the documentation and credibility of the =
finders.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Charles, =
IMCA=20
  4351<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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