[meteorite-list] Elma Status?

From: Charles R. Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:16:30 2004
Message-ID: <000501c35c96$591935a0$1800a8c0_at_chupa>

Michael,

I have heard of you, in fact I have a number of meteorites in my
collection that came from you. Never even said it was a tektite, just
said it looked like one, more that it does a meteorite. Creosote is tar
- no way in the world does this stuff resemble tar or any other stuff
you have seen on a roof. Do you honestly think that scientists like this
would ever examine a piece of tar? The people that are examining this
stuff are the same people responsible for authenticating what we own. I
give them the credit for the diligence in providing an answer to what it
is, as well as what it is not. The NOT part would be a done deal by now
if they did not think otherwise so give them a break and show them the
respect they deserve.

Charlyv IMCA 4351

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:15 PM
To: Charles R. Viau; 'Adam Hupe'; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?

Well, It CANNOT be a tekite, tektites are made by large impacts melting
the
impacted rock. these were found in a telephone pole! My god, every
telephone
pole I have ever seen is covered in tar or whatever weird melted black
stuff
they use, sort of like tar on house roofs, which I believe that the
Hupes
also "found" in the debris from my printer-smashing Park Forest. HMMMM
tiny
little melted tektites found on the floor under the smashed shingles and
tarred roof, more little melted glass like "tektites" found in and round
a
telephone pole at the site of a stupid hoax that got way more attention
than
it should have. I see a curious pattern forming here. Maybe there were
some
"bugs" smashed into the tar so we have little "spidy" creatures like the
Frass meteorite.
       Charles. I have never heard of you, but I assure you that I know
just
a tad more than you might think, and I assure you that this is a waste
of
scientific time.
It defies the most simple things that we know about meteorites, thus
making
it bogus.

Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles R. Viau" <cviau_at_beld.net>
To: "'Michael Farmer'" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>; "'Adam Hupe'"
<adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?


> Given the reputation of the people examining this stuff, how busy they
> are, and the amount of time they are willing to spend on this - It's
not
> crap. It is probably more related to a tektite than anything else if
one
> were to summon up a simile , and how did pieces of this wind up
embedded
> in a telephone pole? - I think the Hupe brothers , as well as the
PhD's
> in those labs are doing their job because they believe there is
> scientific merit in doing so, and no matter what the outcome, they
need
> to know what it is because it passed through the filters that would
have
> tossed 'crap' out 2 weeks ago. Perhaps, if you had some of this stuff
> you might feel different.
>
> Charlyv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
> Farmer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
> To: Adam Hupe; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
>
> Give me a break people, this is retarded. Yep, YE HAA PA saw that
there
> little glass chunks fall out of the sky and they burnded my hands two
> weeks
> later!
> Why waste time on this crap.
> Mike Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
>
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > No glass manufacturing process would use this kind of sand because
of
> it
> > impurities and why would glass be spread into a shot-put pit where
> kids
> > could get cut on the sharp edges? I am not going to speculate too
> much
> more
> > until we get more lab results. Two other labs have weighed in on
this
> > occurrence and it just keeps getting odder.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> >
> >
> > > Hello All, How about a glass manufacturing bi-product?
> > > Thanks, Tom
> > > Peregrineflier <><
> > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Tom and List,
> > > >
> > > > The problem with this material is that it does not contain any
> metal.
> > If
> > > it
> > > > was in a reducing environment why isn't there any metal, even at
> > > microprobe
> > > > levels? This almost certainly eliminates this material coming
> from an
> > > > industrial process, at least none that I have ever heard of. If
> it
> came
> > > > from a foundry why wasn't the sand melted in the center. The
sand
> is
> > also
> > > > trapped in sealed vesicles, that look almost like chondrules,
like
> a
> > > > condensation product, which is extremely odd. It was extremely
> > difficult
> > > to
> > > > make thin-sections of this stuff because of the friability of
the
> > material
> > > > trapped inside.
> > > >
> > > > Will update as we get more results,
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > > > To: "mafer" <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>; "Adam Hupe"
> <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > Cc: "meteor central" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello All, This Elma stuff sounds like a metal casting
> bi-product
> from
> > a
> > > > > foundry. Is there a foundry in our around Elma?
> > > > > Thanks, Tom
> > > > > Peregrineflier <><
> > > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: mafer <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>
> > > > > To: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > Cc: meteor central <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and
smoldering
> > pieces
> > > of
> > > > > > "basaltic" glass with sand inside, sounds like some
> atmospheric
> > event
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Mike, Mike and List,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite, so to
> speak.
> It
> > > > could
> > > > > > > prove to be just as or more interesting to the scientific
> > community.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > jury is still out on exactly what this material is or how
it
> was
> > > > > created.
> > > > > > > The initial lab results created more questions than
answers.
> As
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > > > > reported this material consist of sand incased in a
basaltic
> glass
> > > > > shell.
> > > > > > > The materials in the glass are not separated into swirls
so
> what
> > > ever
> > > > > > > created these objects had a huge amount of energy and the
> glass
> > was
> > > > > > quenched
> > > > > > > very rapidly. Experiments are being conducted to see how
> these
> > might
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > been created. We should have more answers by next week.
> This
> is
> > > > > looking
> > > > > > > more like an X-files episode than a meteor sighting. For
> now,
> we
> > > are
> > > > > > > keeping an open mind regarding this material.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
> > > > > > > To: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
> > > > > > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in
hell
> that
> > a
> > > > > > > meteorite
> > > > > > > > was recovered there.
> > > > > > > > Mike Farmer
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everyone-
> > > > > > > > > Is this all said and done with or is the jury still
> > > > > > > > > out with any maybe's?
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
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