[meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two - Mike and Adam and the rest!

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From: Mal Bishop <magbish3_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:10:05 2004
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Mark, Mike, Adam, and list,

Before I begin let me say that it has been awhile since I've posted on this
list, but I just had to respond in some fashion after all of this Chicago mess
going on for the past several days.

I understand where Mark is coming from in a since, but I respectfully
disagree with the statement that this is all about money and greed.
I don't know Adam at all, I've never had the pleasure to correspond with
him or purchase from him, but from what I've gathered over time he seems
to be extremely passionate about meteorites and seems to be well liked and
respected by many in the community.

Now to Mike Farmer, I've dealt with Mike for several years and I can
unequivocally state he is about as PASSIONATE about these things as
any human being can be! He has gone out of his way to accommodate me over
the years and I assure you all, it wasn't all about money.
Mike has made meteorites his business and lively hood, not just a hobby or
passion like a great majority of (part time)dealers! So money issues are very
important to him -- it's his living!

Also, Mike is very much a go-getter and a true explorer of the old
tradition and meaning of the word. He's definitely spirited and
pugnacious. He is in many ways the "new" Bob Haag in his field, not to say
Bob H. is by any means slowing down or out of the picture. I'm sure Bob
and Mike know what I mean. I understand Bob was told one time by Nininger,
"to go were the meteorites are". I think Mike has proven to all he is
willing to do the same thing almost regardless of the cost, monetarily,
physically, or otherwise! I have the greatest respect for Bob, Mike and
many others, both dealers and collectors, and the rather frequent jousting
that goes on with this list is part of the wonderful passion I think
everyone shares for our rather arcane and unique hobby!

I think there is much passion on all sides, therefore, the bickering at
times! Also, being in a "war zone" of sorts such as the Park Forest fall
with more demand than supply readily available can't help but fray nerves
and make for some tired souls!

I think with some time and rest things will iron themselves out and Park
Forest will be another great "around the camp fire" type of story with
humor and
levity to season the recipe!

...and just maybe one day not to far in the future more will become
available and prices will come down so that most of us may be able to add a
sample to our collections, and when we look upon it, we'll remember the
bitter and the sweet!!!

Best to all -
Mal

At 09:28 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>You are all children, your behavior is ridiculous. Do not any of you say
>anything about passion over meteorites as that would only embarrass you
>further. It is all about the money and it is obvious to anyone on this
>list with one ounce of sense....something you will never have.
>
>You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you make a mockery of the true
>meteorite lovers on this list with your childish pissing matches. The fact
>that you waste our time and Arts bandwidth should mean all of your
>expulsions from this list. This stupid one-upmanship crap is so ignorant.
>You all need time alone in a room that locks...say 3 years, maybe then you
>might truly understand something. You all used to jump on Casper and
>Bessey....at least they were upfront about their true nature.
>
>Take this crap elsewhere....and do not even try to say that it was
>SUPPOSED to be private. My 9 year old son figured out how to keep emails
>private FOUR YEARS AGO.
>
>This is not your private forum for your petty bickering....take it back to
>the sand box.
>
>In my opinion you all need to learn what collecting meteorites is all
>about....Time to evolve.
>
>Just wasting my breath,
>
>Mark M.
>Phoenix AZ
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com>Adam Hupe
>>To:
>><mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>
>>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two
>>
>>Hello Mike, Hello List Members
>>
>>Sorry for the waste of List bandwidth but since Mike is addressing these
>>issues in a public forum I felt I needed to replay.
>>
>>Here is a passage I posted on 4-1-2003, five days ago before this was
>>even an issue. I have nothing to hide and actually apologized if we may
>>have contributed to the problem.
>>
>>Day three
>>Went on a scavenger hunt for objects that were hit by the meteorite. We
>>returned a second time to a house that had been hit to find Mike Farmer
>>had offered $12,000.00 for the stone. We offered $15,000.00 and were
>>turned down because the stone had already been promised to Mike. We were
>>,however, able to purchase the outermost roof shingle with a perfect hole
>>punched through it and a new video game still in the box with an impact
>>crater in it. The meteorite did not penetrate the box so we think it
>>might have been the final resting point of this house hammering
>>stone. We know the roof tile is in fact the very first entry point on
>>the house because the hole is punched through the weathered portion of it
>>indicating it was the top shingle.
>>
>>
>>I do not feel this bickering is going to solve any problems so I will
>>take these issues up in private if anybody has any concerns.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net>Michael Farmer
>>>To: <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com>Adam Hupe ;
>>><mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two
>>>
>>>Adam, dude, you can piss off, To whom might I ask, did I offer that
>>>stone for sale to? Not a single person. I have not offered it for sale
>>>so how dare you say that I did.
>>>Offering other "hammer stones" without affadavits? Who the hell made you
>>>god? I don't actually know where you come off trying to take control of
>>>everything. Oh well. Do as you please not my problem. So I see that you
>>>feel you can offer what you like for a particular stone but everyone
>>>else can't.
>>>You and your terms. I never knew we called them "hammerstones".
>>>Just don't try to preach what you don't practice.
>>>Mike Farmer

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Mark, Mike, Adam, and list, 
Before I begin let me say that it has been awhile since I've posted on
this list, but I just had to respond in some fashion after all of this
Chicago mess 
going on for the past several days. 
I understand where Mark is coming from in a since, but I respectfully
disagree with the statement that this is all about money and greed. 
I don't know Adam at all, I've never had the pleasure to correspond with
him or purchase from him, but from what I've gathered over time he
seems 
to be extremely passionate about meteorites and seems to be well liked
and respected by many in the community. 
Now to Mike Farmer, I've dealt with Mike for several years and I can
unequivocally state he is about as PASSIONATE about these things as 
any human being can be!  He has gone out of his way to accommodate
me over the years and I assure you all, it wasn't all about money. 
Mike has made meteorites his business and lively hood, not just a hobby
or passion like a great majority of (part time)dealers!  So money
issues are very 
important to him -- it's his living! 
Also, Mike is very much a go-getter and a true explorer of the old
tradition and meaning of the word.  He's definitely spirited and
pugnacious.  He is in many ways the "new" Bob Haag in his
field, not to say Bob H. is by any means slowing down or out of the
picture.  I'm sure Bob and Mike know what I mean.  I understand
Bob was told one time by Nininger, "to go were the meteorites
are".  I think Mike has proven to all he is willing to do the
same thing almost regardless of the cost, monetarily, physically, or
otherwise!  I have the greatest respect for Bob, Mike and many
others, both dealers and collectors, and the rather frequent
jousting 
that goes on with this list is part of the wonderful passion I think
everyone shares for our rather arcane and unique hobby! 
I think there is much passion on all sides, therefore, the bickering at
times!  Also, being in a "war zone" of sorts such as the
Park Forest fall with more demand than supply readily available can't
help but fray nerves and make for some tired souls! 
I think with some time and rest things will iron themselves out and Park
Forest will be another great "around the camp fire" type of
story with humor and 
levity to season the recipe! 
...and just maybe one day not to far in the future more will become
available and prices will come down so that most of us may be able to add
a sample to our collections, and when we look upon it, we'll remember the
bitter and the sweet!!! 
Best to all - 
Mal 
 
At 09:28 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>You are
all children, your behavior is ridiculous. Do not any of you say
anything about passion over meteorites as that would only embarrass
you further. It is all about the money and it is obvious to anyone on
this list with one ounce of sense....something you will never
have. 
  
You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you
make a mockery of the true meteorite lovers on this list with your
childish pissing matches. The fact that you waste our time and Arts
bandwidth should mean all of your expulsions from this list. This stupid
one-upmanship crap is so ignorant. You all need time alone in a room that
locks...say 3 years, maybe then you might truly understand something. You
all used to jump on Casper and Bessey....at least they were upfront about
their true nature. 
  
Take this crap elsewhere....and do not even try
to say that it was SUPPOSED to be private. My 9 year old son figured out
how to keep emails private FOUR YEARS AGO. 
  
This is not your private forum for your petty
bickering....take it back to the sand box. 
  
In my opinion you all need to learn what
collecting meteorites is all about....Time to evolve. 
  
Just wasting my breath, 
  
Mark M. 
Phoenix AZ 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- 
From: <a href="mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com">Adam Hupe</a> 
To:
<a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a> 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two 
Hello Mike, Hello List Members 
  
Sorry for the waste of List bandwidth but since Mike is addressing these issues in a public forum I felt I needed to replay.   
  
Here is a passage I posted on 4-1-2003, five days ago before this was even an issue.  I have nothing to hide and actually apologized if we may have contributed to the problem. 
  
Day three 
Went on a scavenger hunt for objects that were hit by the meteorite.  We returned a second time to a house that had been hit to find Mike Farmer had offered $12,000.00 for the stone.  We offered $15,000.00 and were turned down because the stone had already been promised to Mike.  We were ,however, able to purchase the outermost roof shingle with a perfect hole punched through it and a new video game still in the box with an impact crater in it. The meteorite did not penetrate the box so we think it might have been the final resting point of this house hammering stone.  We know the roof tile is in fact the very first entry point on the house because the hole is punched through the weathered portion of it indicating it was the top shingle. 
  
  
I do not feel this bickering is going to solve any problems so I will take these issues up in private if anybody has any concerns. 
  
All the best, 
  
Adam 
  
  
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <a href="mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael Farmer</a> 
To: <a href="mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com">Adam Hupe</a> ; <a href="mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a> 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two 
Adam, dude, you can piss off, To whom might I ask, did I offer that stone for sale to? Not a single person. I have not offered it for sale so how dare you say that I did. 
Offering other "hammer stones" without affadavits? Who the hell made you god? I don't actually know where you come off trying to take control of everything. Oh well. Do as you please not my problem. So I see that you feel you can offer what you like for a particular stone but everyone else can't. 
You and your terms. I never knew we called them "hammerstones". 
Just don't try to preach what you don't practice. 
Mike Farmer</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></html>

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