[meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two - Mike and Adam and the rest!

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:10:05 2004
Message-ID: <20030407233232.43482.qmail_at_web20905.mail.yahoo.com>

Mal, you hit the nail on the head. I am far from rich,
I have put every penny I have into my meteorite
collection. If this were about the money, I would sell
my collection and move to Hawaii. I am offended that
you said that Mark. This was about money to Michael
Casper and is to Dean Bessey. Both have no meteorite
collection. If you have no collection but buy and
sell, then it is ONLY about the money. I make money
from meteorite in order to muy more meteorites. I love
the adventure that comes from traveling to far off
places to get them. I could just as easily buy them
through the mail but going to places like Park Forest
or Lesotho allows me to see the people and places
first hand. Every time I look at a piece of Bilanga I
see Bilanga-Yanga village in my mind, the Baobab
trees, the baby dying of some horrible disease, the
smiling people selling me meteorites, the good and the
bad, all are parts of my meteorite adventures.
Money makes the world go round and allows me to do
what I love. Without sales of meteorites, I, Like
Harvey Nininger, would NEVER be able to do what I
love, hunting meteorites, no matter where they might
fall.
So we do a little bickering, it isn't the end of the
world. And there is no business or collectors group on
this planet that does any different than we do.

Mike Farmer
Meteoritehunter

--- Mal Bishop <magbish3_at_lowcountry.com> wrote:
> Mark, Mike, Adam, and list,
>
> Before I begin let me say that it has been awhile
> since I've posted on this
> list, but I just had to respond in some fashion
> after all of this Chicago mess
> going on for the past several days.
>
> I understand where Mark is coming from in a since,
> but I respectfully
> disagree with the statement that this is all about
> money and greed.
> I don't know Adam at all, I've never had the
> pleasure to correspond with
> him or purchase from him, but from what I've
> gathered over time he seems
> to be extremely passionate about meteorites and
> seems to be well liked and
> respected by many in the community.
>
> Now to Mike Farmer, I've dealt with Mike for several
> years and I can
> unequivocally state he is about as PASSIONATE about
> these things as
> any human being can be! He has gone out of his way
> to accommodate me over
> the years and I assure you all, it wasn't all about
> money.
> Mike has made meteorites his business and lively
> hood, not just a hobby or
> passion like a great majority of (part time)dealers!
> So money issues are very
> important to him -- it's his living!
>
> Also, Mike is very much a go-getter and a true
> explorer of the old
> tradition and meaning of the word. He's definitely
> spirited and
> pugnacious. He is in many ways the "new" Bob Haag
> in his field, not to say
> Bob H. is by any means slowing down or out of the
> picture. I'm sure Bob
> and Mike know what I mean. I understand Bob was
> told one time by Nininger,
> "to go were the meteorites are". I think Mike has
> proven to all he is
> willing to do the same thing almost regardless of
> the cost, monetarily,
> physically, or otherwise! I have the greatest
> respect for Bob, Mike and
> many others, both dealers and collectors, and the
> rather frequent jousting
> that goes on with this list is part of the wonderful
> passion I think
> everyone shares for our rather arcane and unique
> hobby!
>
> I think there is much passion on all sides,
> therefore, the bickering at
> times! Also, being in a "war zone" of sorts such as
> the Park Forest fall
> with more demand than supply readily available can't
> help but fray nerves
> and make for some tired souls!
>
> I think with some time and rest things will iron
> themselves out and Park
> Forest will be another great "around the camp fire"
> type of story with
> humor and
> levity to season the recipe!
>
> ...and just maybe one day not to far in the future
> more will become
> available and prices will come down so that most of
> us may be able to add a
> sample to our collections, and when we look upon it,
> we'll remember the
> bitter and the sweet!!!
>
> Best to all -
> Mal
>
>
> At 09:28 PM 4/6/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >You are all children, your behavior is ridiculous.
> Do not any of you say
> >anything about passion over meteorites as that
> would only embarrass you
> >further. It is all about the money and it is
> obvious to anyone on this
> >list with one ounce of sense....something you will
> never have.
> >
> >You should all be ashamed of yourselves, you make a
> mockery of the true
> >meteorite lovers on this list with your childish
> pissing matches. The fact
> >that you waste our time and Arts bandwidth should
> mean all of your
> >expulsions from this list. This stupid
> one-upmanship crap is so ignorant.
> >You all need time alone in a room that locks...say
> 3 years, maybe then you
> >might truly understand something. You all used to
> jump on Casper and
> >Bessey....at least they were upfront about their
> true nature.
> >
> >Take this crap elsewhere....and do not even try to
> say that it was
> >SUPPOSED to be private. My 9 year old son figured
> out how to keep emails
> >private FOUR YEARS AGO.
> >
> >This is not your private forum for your petty
> bickering....take it back to
> >the sand box.
> >
> >In my opinion you all need to learn what collecting
> meteorites is all
> >about....Time to evolve.
> >
> >Just wasting my breath,
> >
> >Mark M.
> >Phoenix AZ
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com>Adam Hupe
> >>To:
>
>><mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> >>
> >>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:55 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round
> Two
> >>
> >>Hello Mike, Hello List Members
> >>
> >>Sorry for the waste of List bandwidth but since
> Mike is addressing these
> >>issues in a public forum I felt I needed to
> replay.
> >>
> >>Here is a passage I posted on 4-1-2003, five days
> ago before this was
> >>even an issue. I have nothing to hide and
> actually apologized if we may
> >>have contributed to the problem.
> >>
> >>Day three
> >>Went on a scavenger hunt for objects that were hit
> by the meteorite. We
> >>returned a second time to a house that had been
> hit to find Mike Farmer
> >>had offered $12,000.00 for the stone. We offered
> $15,000.00 and were
> >>turned down because the stone had already been
> promised to Mike. We were
> >>,however, able to purchase the outermost roof
> shingle with a perfect hole
> >>punched through it and a new video game still in
> the box with an impact
> >>crater in it. The meteorite did not penetrate the
> box so we think it
> >>might have been the final resting point of this
> house hammering
> >>stone. We know the roof tile is in fact the very
> first entry point on
> >>the house because the hole is punched through the
> weathered portion of it
> >>indicating it was the top shingle.
> >>
> >>
> >>I do not feel this bickering is going to solve any
> problems so I will
> >>take these issues up in private if anybody has any
> concerns.
> >>
> >>All the best,
> >>
> >>Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: <mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net>Michael
> Farmer
> >>>To: <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com>Adam Hupe ;
>
>>><mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> >>>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:43 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round
> Two
> >>>
> >>>Adam, dude, you can piss off, To whom might I
> ask, did I offer that
> >>>stone for sale to? Not a single person. I have
> not offered it for sale
> >>>so how dare you say that I did.
>
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Received on Mon 07 Apr 2003 07:32:32 PM PDT