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From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:10:04 2004
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Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round TwoMichael this was a private =
email from me to you. Thanks for putting it public. The point is the =
same. you are praising someone for something when they did the exact =
opposite. That is my point.=20
Mike Farmer
 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Michael L Blood=20
 To: Michael Farmer ; Adam Hupe ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two

 Hi Mike,
 Sorry, I had no idea you would take my comments personally.=20
 Sincerely, Michael=20

 on 4/6/03 7:20 PM, Michael Farmer at farmerm_at_concentric.net wrote:

 Michael, I am sorry to burst your bubble, but Adam did exactly =
EXACTLY that! He was in the room and offered $15 k for the meteorite I =
had just bought for $12K. Can't people just frigging tell things like =
they are?=20
 Mike Farmer

 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Michael L Blood <mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net> =20
 To: Adam Hupe <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com> ; =
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two

 Hi Adam,
 Excellent post. You and Greg are two of the few sane dealers =
who=20
 have an awareness about the price impact of your actions. Amazing
 TOTALLY amazing how rare this is.=20
 I have been harping on this subject my entire career and =
have
 turned up the volume since the Monahans event (interesting I have
 become good friends with Steve since then and have a great deal of
 respect for him). However, I have yet to meet a dealer who can =
hear
 a word I say on the topic. They seam to either "get it" or not and =

 nothing said affects them one way or the other.
 I heard of dealers negotiating with people in Park Forrest =
only
 to have another dealer rudely interrupt with, "Hell, I'll give you =
more
 than THAT for it!" right on the spot. This is the kind of =
unthinking
 avarice that impacts price - not your report to the list you =
referenced.
 Thank you for being a conscientious dealer - and a damned =
good
 reporter, too.=20
 Sincerely, Michael Blood=20

 on 4/6/03 10:39 AM, Adam Hupe at adamhupe_at_attbi.com wrote:

 Dear List,

 Here we go again! I am personally glad to be home after =
spending five intense days in the so-called "Urban Strewnfield". For =
those of you who were not able to go you did not miss much. The weather =
was horrible, most of the neighborhood was rough and the greed was =
amazing. =20

 My brother, Greg arrived yesterday and met up with Al Lang to =
pick up an entire bedroom that had been hammered by one of these stones. =
We will reconstruct the bedroom with the ceiling that had two holes =
punched in it, the venetian blinds that were split down the center, a =
metal windowsill with a huge impact crater and a mirror that was =
shattered, all hit by the same meteorite that thankfully missed a boy by =
inches as he was sleeping. This collection will be displayed proudly =
next to the Peekskill car in a private museum. We plan on possibly =
displaying the collection at the Tucson show next year if there is =
enough interest. We acquired several other impacted items from all over =
the strewn field and will integrate them into another interpretive =
display. This represents the world's largest collection of man-made =
objects impacted by meteorites. We feel it is important to preserve =
these historical items for future generations to enjoy. =20

 On another note:
 Why couldn't the meteorite have landed somewhere in a rural =
area?, maybe next time. I do not believe the prices would have been so =
high if the stones where recovered by farmers and ranch-hands. Word =
spread like wild fire in the Park Forest neighborhood about prices being =
realized for stones that hit things. These street-smart finders then =
played a lot of dealers and collectors in the field for as much money as =
they could get and now everybody is paying the price. You can blame =
dealers who lacked the patience to negotiate better prices and manage =
the situation in a professional manner for these high prices. Instead =
money was thrown around exciting the neighborhood into a feeding frenzy. =
I owned up to my part in this whole thing with a post called "Park =
Forest - the pulling of teeth". If I contributed in anyway to the high =
prices, I apologize. I admit there were a few times when we paid more =
than we should have.=20

 Wishing everybody well,

 Adam Hupe
 IMCA 2185

 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are =
always so
 certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
 Bertrand Russell
 --
 Worth Seeing:
 - Earth at night from satelite:
 =
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
 - Interactive Lady Liberty:
 http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
 - Earth - variety of choices:
 http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html=20
 --
 Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:
 =
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/=
MeteorCraterRimL.html
 --
 Cool Calendar & Clock:
 http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
 --
 Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at:
 http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/

 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always =
so
 certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
 Bertrand Russell
 --
 Worth Seeing:
 - Earth at night from satelite:
 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
 - Interactive Lady Liberty:
 http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
 - Earth - variety of choices:
 http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html=20
 --
 Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:
 =
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/=
MeteorCraterRimL.html
 --
 Cool Calendar & Clock:
 http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
 --
 Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at:
 http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/

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<DIV>Michael this was a private email from =
me to you.=20
Thanks for putting it public. The point is the same. you are praising =
someone=20
for something when they did the exact opposite. That is my point. =
</DIV>
<DIV>Mike Farmer</DIV>
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Blood</A>=20
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title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net=20
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 title=3Dadamhupe_at_attbi.com href=3D"mailto:adamhupe@attbi.com">Adam =
Hupe</A> ; <A=20
 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
 </DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 =
8:02=20
PM</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] =
Park Forest=20
 - Round Two</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV>Hi =
Mike,        Sorry, I=20
 had no idea you would take my comments personally.=20
        Sincerely, Michael =
 on=20
 4/6/03 7:20 PM, Michael Farmer at <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">farmerm@concentric.net</A> =
wrote: 
 <BLOCKQUOTE>Michael, I am sorry to =
burst your=20
 bubble, but Adam did exactly EXACTLY that! He was in the room and =
offered=20
 $15 k for the meteorite I had just bought for $12K. Can't people =
just=20
 frigging tell things like they are? Mike =
Farmer 
 <BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- From: Michael L =
Blood=20
 <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net">mailto:mlblood@cox.net</A>>=20
   To: Adam Hupe <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com> =
 ;=20
 meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April =
06,=20
 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest =
- Round=20
 Two Hi =
Adam,       Excellent post.=20
 You and Greg are two of the few sane dealers who have an =
awareness=20
 about the price impact of your actions. Amazing TOTALLY amazing =
how=20
 rare this is.       I have been =
harping=20
 on this subject my entire career and have turned up the volume =
since=20
 the Monahans event (interesting I have become good friends with =
Steve=20
 since then and have a great deal of respect for him). However, =
I have=20
 yet to meet a dealer who can hear a word I say on the topic. =
They seam=20
 to either "get it" or not and nothing said affects them one =
way or the=20
 other.       I heard of dealers=20
 negotiating with people in Park Forrest only to have another =
dealer=20
 rudely interrupt with, "Hell, I'll give you more than THAT for =
it!"=20
 right on the spot. This is the kind of unthinking avarice that =
impacts=20
 price - not your report to the list you=20
 referenced.       Thank you for =
being a=20
 conscientious dealer - and a damned good reporter, too.=20
       Sincerely, Michael Blood=20
 on 4/6/03 10:39 AM, Adam Hupe at adamhupe_at_attbi.com =
wrote: 
 <BLOCKQUOTE>Dear=20
 List, Here we go=20
 again!  I am personally glad to be home after spending five =
intense=20
 days in the so-called "Urban Strewnfield".  For those of =
you who=20
 were not able to go you did not miss much.  The weather was =

 horrible, most of the neighborhood was rough and the greed was =
amazing.=20
   My =
brother,=20
 Greg arrived yesterday and met up with Al Lang to pick up an =
entire=20
 bedroom that had been hammered by one of these stones.  We =
will=20
 reconstruct the bedroom with the ceiling that had two holes =
punched in=20
 it, the venetian blinds that were split down the center, a metal =

 windowsill with a huge impact crater and a mirror that was =
shattered,=20
 all hit by the same meteorite that thankfully missed a boy by =
inches as=20
 he was sleeping.  This collection will be displayed proudly =
next to=20
 the Peekskill car in a private museum.  We plan on possibly =

 displaying the collection at the Tucson show next year if there =
is=20
 enough interest.  We acquired several other impacted items =
from all=20
 over the strewn field and will integrate them into another =
interpretive=20
 display. This represents the world's largest collection of =
man-made=20
 objects impacted by meteorites.  We feel it is important to =

 preserve these historical items for future generations to enjoy. =

     On=20
 another note: Why couldn't the meteorite have landed =
somewhere in a=20
 rural area?, maybe next time.  I do not believe the prices =
would=20
 have been so high if the stones where recovered by farmers and=20
 ranch-hands.  Word spread like wild fire in the Park Forest =

 neighborhood about prices being realized for stones that hit =
things.=20
  These street-smart finders then played a lot of dealers =
and=20
 collectors in the field for as much money as they could get and =
now=20
 everybody is paying the price.  You can blame dealers who =
lacked=20
 the patience to negotiate better prices and manage the situation =
in a=20
 professional manner for these high prices.  Instead money =
was=20
 thrown around exciting the neighborhood into a feeding frenzy. =
 I=20
 owned up to my part in this whole thing with a post called "Park =
Forest=20
 - the pulling of teeth".  If I contributed in anyway to the =
high=20
 prices, I apologize.  I admit there were a few times when =
we paid=20
 more than we should have. <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>Wishing everybody well, <FONT=20
 size=3D2>Adam Hupe IMCA=20
 2185 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial> </BLOCKQUOTE> The =
whole problem=20
 with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain =
of=20
 themselves, but wiser people so full of =
doubts.   Bertrand=20
 Russell -- Worth Seeing: -  Earth at night from=20
 =
satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp=
_big.jpg -=20
 Interactive Lady=20
 Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - =
variety=20
 of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html=20
 -- Panoramic view of Meteor=20
 =
Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/Me=
teorCrater/MeteorCraterRimL.html -- Cool=20
 Calendar &=20
 =
Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael=20
 Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale=20
 =
at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ </BLOCKQUOTE><BR=
></BLOCKQUOTE> The=20
 whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always=20
 so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of=20
 doubts.    Bertrand Russell -- Worth =
Seeing: -=20
  Earth at night from=20
 =
satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp=
_big.jpg -=20
 Interactive Lady =
Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -=20
 Earth - variety of =
choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html=20
 -- Panoramic view of Meteor=20
 =
Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/Me=
teorCrater/MeteorCraterRimL.html -- Cool=20
 Calendar &=20
 =
Clock:  http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Mich=
ael=20
 Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale=20
 =
at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ </BLOCKQUOTE></B=
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