[meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.

From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:08:31 2004
Message-ID: <001f01c264b9$0c46f760$1f77d6d1_at_default>

I think I remember a piece of Challenger on ebay a few months ago..

Rosie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Brown" <Jonathan.Brown_at_warthog.co.uk>
To: "'Francis Graham'" <francisgraham_at_rocketmail.com>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.


> I've definitely seen a piece of one of the Salyut platforms for sale. I
> think it might have been Salyut 7 but it was quite some time ago, in fact
> I'm sure the link for it was posted on the list.
>
> Remember that there is only recoverable debris from large platforms and
> generally these are de-orbited to dump in the ocean. It's only when it
goes
> wrong that Australia or Argentina gets an unexpected visitor.
>
> Jon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francis Graham [mailto:francisgraham_at_rocketmail.com]
> Sent: 25 September 2002 15:07
> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.
>
>
> Dear List,
> From the outset, let me say I do not think there
> is any reliable evidence that there are
> extraterrestrial intelligent visitors (ALH 84001's
> possible microfossils sure didn't look like they were
> intelligent).
> Having said that, there are still mysteries to be
> solved connected with what is called the "UFOs", more
> on the social and political side rather than
> scientific, and these mysteries directly relate to
> meteorites. For example, although the United States
> and Russia signed a treaty agreeing to return each
> others' crashed spacecraft, has there been any
> instance of that between 1963 and 1988? Recall the
> story given to the press after the Kecksburg PA "UFO
> crash": it was a meteorite they placed on the flatbed
> truck. Yet, do any of you have a 1 g slice of Keckburg
> to sell? Is it in any catalog of meteorites?
> Further, recovery teams were thorough. How many
> spacecraft debris pieces are on the market from
> spacecraft which crashed between 63-85? Skylab is the
> only one I recall.
> Suppose we tentatively advance the hypothesis that
> UFOs offered a great cover for two cold war
> superpowers to circumvent a treaty which they had
> signed, in order to examine and evaluate each others'
> space technology with national security purposes
> (possibly justifiable) in mind. The fact that it was a
> treaty violation meant that such operations had to be
> done in great secrecy.
> One book outlines some of these operations under the
> code names Moon Dust and Blue Fly (the name of the
> book is not with me at the moment). But it didn't give
> a lot of checkable facts or references, so I didn't
> know how reliable it was from a scientific-historical
> point of view, which is probably why it was forgotten.
> In any case, in true Popperian style, this
> hypothesis is on the target range to be falsified.
> Does anybody have parts of spacecraft, except Skylab,
> that crashed between 1963 and 1988 and were recovered
> by civilians? How do spacecraft parts recovered by
> civilians in those years, if any, compare with the
> prevalence of spacecraft debris sold on e-bay etc
> today?
>
> Francis Graham
>
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Received on Wed 25 Sep 2002 01:29:04 PM PDT