[meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.

From: Jonathan Brown <Jonathan.Brown_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:08:31 2004
Message-ID: <3F2F2554FFC0DD41AB7A1F29EE60E179014860B7_at_hog-exchange.warthog.co.uk>

I've definitely seen a piece of one of the Salyut platforms for sale. I
think it might have been Salyut 7 but it was quite some time ago, in fact
I'm sure the link for it was posted on the list.

Remember that there is only recoverable debris from large platforms and
generally these are de-orbited to dump in the ocean. It's only when it goes
wrong that Australia or Argentina gets an unexpected visitor.

Jon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis Graham [mailto:francisgraham_at_rocketmail.com]
Sent: 25 September 2002 15:07
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.


  Dear List,
     From the outset, let me say I do not think there
is any reliable evidence that there are
extraterrestrial intelligent visitors (ALH 84001's
possible microfossils sure didn't look like they were
intelligent).
     Having said that, there are still mysteries to be
solved connected with what is called the "UFOs", more
on the social and political side rather than
scientific, and these mysteries directly relate to
meteorites. For example, although the United States
and Russia signed a treaty agreeing to return each
others' crashed spacecraft, has there been any
instance of that between 1963 and 1988? Recall the
story given to the press after the Kecksburg PA "UFO
crash": it was a meteorite they placed on the flatbed
truck. Yet, do any of you have a 1 g slice of Keckburg
to sell? Is it in any catalog of meteorites?
    Further, recovery teams were thorough. How many
spacecraft debris pieces are on the market from
spacecraft which crashed between 63-85? Skylab is the
only one I recall.
    Suppose we tentatively advance the hypothesis that
UFOs offered a great cover for two cold war
superpowers to circumvent a treaty which they had
signed, in order to examine and evaluate each others'
space technology with national security purposes
(possibly justifiable) in mind. The fact that it was a
treaty violation meant that such operations had to be
done in great secrecy.
  One book outlines some of these operations under the
code names Moon Dust and Blue Fly (the name of the
book is not with me at the moment). But it didn't give
a lot of checkable facts or references, so I didn't
know how reliable it was from a scientific-historical
point of view, which is probably why it was forgotten.
   In any case, in true Popperian style, this
hypothesis is on the target range to be falsified.
Does anybody have parts of spacecraft, except Skylab,
that crashed between 1963 and 1988 and were recovered
by civilians? How do spacecraft parts recovered by
civilians in those years, if any, compare with the
prevalence of spacecraft debris sold on e-bay etc
today?

Francis Graham

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