[meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)

From: azaware <azaware_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:07:01 2004
Message-ID: <007d01c272ef$4813c2c0$0101a8c0_at_msn.net>

Jay, I don't have anything to hide. I didn't know my name was hiding. I
have other post with my name. Actually I would like to meet some of these
Clinton grads like Gregory N. Thanks to all the email for your support.

Kim Fenn Az

----- Original Message -----
From: <printshop_at_terra.com.pe>
To: "azaware" <azaware_at_msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)


> I will take you up on your "dare"...if you DARE to sign your name and
place
> of residence (just like everybody else does).
>
> Jay C.
> Lima, Peru
>
>
>
> > De: "azaware" <azaware_at_msn.com>
> > Fecha: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:07:51 -0700
> > Para: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >
> > This is the last word from me on this subject. I dare you or any others
to
> > take Norton "test drive" virus protection program, which requires giving
> > them your email, address and see what happens (but as a friend I
strongly
> > advise not to do this). The last virus I got on my computer was from
this
> > list. Jonathan said something about viruses, so I put my thought on the
> > subject. This doesn't have anything to do with meteorite, but it does
have
> > something to do with people sending viruses on this list. My point is
simple
> > someone getting paid to spend everyday trying to infected computers.
It's
> > not even new viruses; it's the some old ones they keep sending over and
> > over. I'm not saying don't buy the Norton Antivirus program. At this
point
> > you have to have something. But if these companies ever get caught maybe
we
> > might get are money back.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Miconi" <mam602_at_cox.net>
> > To: "azaware" <azaware_at_msn.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >
> >
> >> Bill Clinton is an idiot and he was stupid enough to believe that his
> > cigar
> >> stroking intern could keep a secret.
> >> I was not belittling anyone in particular just making a broad statement
> >> about society.
> >>
> >> Why does it always seem to be a conspiracy to those that fail to do the
> >> simplest of things to prevent the worse of things?
> >> In most cases this world would rather believe in what is not possible
> >> instead of doing what is most practical.
> >> I suppose that the oil companies force you to drive more by making
> > anywhere
> >> you need to go farther away from you so you can consume more gasoline,
and
> >> when your house was built they were there to be sure it was not
properly
> >> insulated and now make the winters colder so you use more fuel oil?
> >>
> >> Maybe the bread companies created mold. Think that battery companies
> > planned
> >> on their product wearing out? Could be that doctors actually help the
> >> cigarette makers, and dentists created gingivitus in a secret lab?
> >>
> >> But if you want to believe that Symantec is actually creating viruses
so
> >> they can sell you software that is your right.
> >>
> >> My suggestion is that you drain your bathtub and not re-use the water.
> >>
> >> And learn your name so you can sign your posts....
> >>
> >> Mark M.
> >> Phoenix Arizona
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: azaware <azaware_at_msn.com>
> >> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >>
> >>
> >>> Oh no not another Norton employee. You sound like you graduated from
> > the
> >>> school of Bill Clinton, belittle the messenger.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark Miconi" <mam602_at_cox.net>
> >>> To: "azaware" <azaware_at_msn.com>
> >>> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:22 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Having worked in the computer industry for almost 16 years I can tell
> >> you
> >>>> that viruses and their spread are the product of 2 things in this
> > order:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1). Computer experts that have nothing better to do then find a way
to
> >>> show
> >>>> their talent by creating a virus.
> >>>> 2). Malicious individuals that seek to cause havoc for various
> > reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason that they are so prolific and spread so easily is that
most
> >> of
> >>>> the users in this world are ignorant enough to believe that they will
> >>> never
> >>>> be infected. These are the same individuals that fall for telephone
> >> scams,
> >>>> buy the Banjo Minnow, and believe that they can swallow a pill and
> > lose
> >> 50
> >>>> pounds in 6 weeks. These people are found in the dictionary....look
> >> under
> >>>> clueless and victims for pictures.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone that would even begin to believe that a company like
> >>>> Symantec(Nortons) would deliberately create a virus to sell their
> >> product
> >>>> regularly drink their own bath water and have a family tree that does
> >> not
> >>>> branch.
> >>>>
> >>>> With the general public walking about so completely clueless it would
> > be
> >> a
> >>>> waste of capital for a company to invest in a R & D program to create
> >>>> something that already is being made for free and that the mainstream
> >>>> population is so willing to spread.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a moral to all of this....Milk does not come from a jug,
> > crime
> >> is
> >>>> not something that happens to your neighbor and being on the internet
> >>>> without virus protection is just plain stupid.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark M.
> >>>> Arizona
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: azaware <azaware_at_msn.com>
> >>>> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:35 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Below is a weeks worth of emails sent to me with viruses. I will
> > grant
> >>> you
> >>>>> there really are some real lunatics out there, but what are we
> > talking
> >>>> about
> >>>>> a couple ok 5 all right 10 a week. The reason I get so many is
> > because
> >>>> this
> >>>>> Email is 7 years old, so I'm on every kind of list out there. I
> >> remember
> >>>>> when we didn't have viruses or Norton and now we have Norton and
> >>> viruses.
> >>>> I
> >>>>> wouldn't be surprise if Norton the company were started from the
> > guys
> >>> who
> >>>>> started sending virus. I remember the first viruses, I can see it
> > now
> >>> the
> >>>>> guy thought wow I can give this guy a virus then he can call me to
> > fix
> >>> it.
> >>>>> And now you can call Norton on the phone and for $35 + $99 will help
> >> you
> >>>> get
> >>>>> it off. You almost sound like you work for Norton and this is
> >> something
> >>>>> Norton would not want to get around, because until now they was this
> >>> great
> >>>>> savor. Ok have the big guy at Norton give me a call I could be quit
> >> for
> >>> a
> >>>>> price! Other wise I going to expose those s.o.b's. Now you see all
> >> these
> >>>>> emails. I hardly think kids or these other people are going to go to
> >>> this
> >>>>> great length to take the time to send out this many viruses with all
> >>> these
> >>>>> different email address.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bogdanka_at_polj.ns.ac.yu
> >>>>> susan49842_at_hud.ac.uk
> >>>>> love_at_friends.org
> >>>>> kb922p_at_mailpride.com
> >>>>> mppmg_at_bolt.com
> >>>>> greg8835_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>> txbtm_at_care2.com
> >>>>> notbyyou_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>> toall_at_mce.co.jp
> >>>>> ptrkm8_at_lycos.com
> >>>>> bmw0mr09348r_at_hotmail.com
> >>>>> dnmle_at_ea.o
> >>>>> KIMMY_at_msn.com
> >>>>> test_at_hotbot.com
> >>>>> freeser_at_hotpop.com
> >>>>> smeer_at_bbs.mtlebanon.k12.pa.us
> >>>>> Trifecta01.10_at_reply.mb00.net
> >>>>> jhall_at_linkii.com
> >>>>> aaffds3_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>> abamba_at_nesda.org
> >>>>> jclgSam_at_mail.com
> >>>>> liveandnasty_at_email.com
> >>>>> optindeals.12_at_reply.mb00.net
> >>>>> jej_220021458_at_msn.com
> >>>>> Trifecta01.17_at_reply.mb00.net
> >>>>> Kelly.Evens4648_at_eudoramail.com
> >>>>> urggralbo56_at_rocketmail.com
> >>>>> danwilder_at_arabia.com
> >>>>> loliulretnamt_at_hotmail.com
> >>>>> vhypnosis_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>> kjjked333_at_qualitymail.com
> >>>>> optindeals.11_at_reply.mb00.net
> >>>>> freescreensaver_at_love4u.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: <geoking_at_notkin.net>
> >>>>> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:18 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Ken, Kim and List:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I realize this is more than a little OT and probably wasting some
> >>>>>> people's time -- so I apologize in advance -- but I just couldn't
> >>>>>> resist. Of all the weird things I've seen on the M-List (and there
> >>>>>> have been plenty), accusing Symantec of creating new viruses in
> >> order
> >>>>>> to sell their own products is one of the nuttiest . . . right up
> >>>>>> there with the Frass meteorite even!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kim posted:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Norton has to behind this, who else is making out.
> >>>>>>> Norton paying these guys to this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ken posted:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree with you, Norton was behind this!
> >>>>>>> I vowed then and there not to buy their product!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> People create viruses for all sorts of reasons: Kids do it for
> > fun;
> >>>>>> anarchists do it because it's anarchistic; hackers target
> > companies
> >>>>>> they don't like; disgruntled employees ditto; and so on. In the
> >>>>>> hacker subculture it is a major status symbol to have created a
> >> virus
> >>>>>> that's caused international mayhem. You may not have encountered
> >>>>>> these types of characters in real life but I have, and I assure
> > you
> >>>>>> they are active, numerous, and damn clever. I suppose you could
> > say
> >>>>>> they are the digital age's version of the neighborhood prankster.
> >>>>>> Some have eventually been employed by our own government, in a
> > sort
> >>>>>> of "If we can't beat them, get them on the payroll" scenario.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Symantec -- the company that manufactures Norton Antivirus, Norton
> >>>>>> Utilities, Systemworks, etc. -- is an excellent outfit and in my
> >>>>>> opinion vital to the professional computer user. I couldn't have
> >> kept
> >>>>>> my numerous computer stations running all these years with them.
> >> I've
> >>>>>> employed nearly all of their products for as long as I've been
> > using
> >>>>>> computers for a living. They've helped me root out all kinds of
> >> virus
> >>>>>> trouble, hardware problems, prevented hackers getting into my
> >>>>>> systems, and on and on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't want to waste the List's time with OT discussions, but --
> > no
> >>>>>> offense intended -- your statements are absolute nonsense, and
> > could
> >>>>>> actually be damaging by negatively influencing List subscribers
> > who
> >>>>>> might otherwise buy these useful products. Hence the rebuttal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We all get angry over virus issues, and really I do sympathize
> > with
> >>>>>> you guys, but posting preposterous statements about one of the few
> >>>>>> companies that combats the problem is not going to help. If you
> >> would
> >>>>>> like to discuss this further, please write to me off-List. I would
> >> be
> >>>>>> happy to furnish you with additional information on the subject
> > that
> >>>>>> may be useful to you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Geoff N.
> >>>>>> www.notkin.net
> >>>>>> www.paleozoic.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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