[meteorite-list] More details....& thanks! Got had & need help.
From: meteorites_at_space.com <meteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:04:51 2004 Message-ID: <20020523080114.6231.h010.c000.wm_at_mail.space.com.criticalpath.net> On Wed, 22 May 2002, "MuseumStore/NatureSource" wrote > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> > <META content='"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=GENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Hello Ken and list,</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for all your investigative work Ken! It seems > like this seller is not simply misinformed or ignorant, but that they are being > blatantly dishonest and selling material as one thing, knowing full well that it > is not what they claim. It really is a shame that there are people like > this, because it reflects badly on legitimate and reputable dealers, and can > scare off new collectors and potential customers.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>From what I remember when I visited the crater, you were not > permitted to take anything at all from the crater area. I may be > remembering wrong as this was about 10 years ago. Maybe someone else knows > more.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>I thank you again for emailing j.c.z. inc on my behalf. > I agree that getting a flood of emails might give them a change of heart. > If anyone else cares to follow suit I would certainly not object! : > ) Their email is <A > href="mailto:bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com">bubbamisen@yahoo.com</A></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>I am compiling my claim to the credit card company today > utilizing my own information plus lots of information and advice so generously > provided by list members. I believe I have responded personally to > everyone who offered advice and support, but if I have inadvertently forgotten > anyone, THANK YOU!!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>As I said before, I will keep everyone posted on how this all > pans out. I probably will not know anything for a couple weeks....unless I > get an unexpected refund from j.c.z. But I'm not going to hold my breath > on that one!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks again to all,</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>Jeannie Devon</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>IMCA #9236</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>The Museum Store/The Nature Source</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>Anchorage, AK</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2><A > href="http://www.thenaturesource.com">www.thenaturesource.com</A></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR> </DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE > style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT>Jeannie, > <BR>I checked my emails. Not only has this person used the ID's > "j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen", but also as > "pahanaswife". Instead of email name " Judith McCabe," > this person replied to me in Feb as Colin Scott. I am sure this is the > same person because the Link to the auction for "pahanaswife" now > shows the ID "j.c.z.inc".<FONT size=+1> </FONT>(Feb auction -<FONT > size=+1> </FONT> <A > href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1071009095">200 > plus pieces meteorite</A> ) This is one slippery person. When asked I about > the CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from dust as > they had not been cleaned. I then wrote back asking if he would > guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) , I have no record of a > reply. <BR>Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own reference to: > " It is forbidden to collect<B> this materia</B>l now after the federal > government slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have always > thought that this regulation referred to<B> core material</B> and not oxide. > If so, he has trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get more info > on this. Perhaps the someone on the List knows? <BR>I did write > "j.c.z.inc" (address - bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com) encouraging this > person to refund the monies only to get a harsh reply threatening to > sue me.( sound familiar?) Hopefully, others will write this > person.(Auction in dispute - <A > href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1088285627">Item # > 1088285627</A> ) A large number of emails could have an attitude > adjusting effect. <BR>Best, <BR>Ken Newton <BR>PS - This person also wrote > claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite customers, yet he has only 16 > feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for Canyon Diablo Meteorites and of those > only 2 are different persons. Where are the other 148?<FONT > size=+1></FONT> > <P>TMS/TNS/HRC wrote: > <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE> > <STYLE></STYLE> > <FONT size=+1>Hello list!</FONT> <FONT size=+1>First off, let me > thank again everyone who responded so quickly and thoughtfully to my > dilemma. I so much appreciate the kindness and generosity of this > list. What a great group of people!</FONT> <FONT > size=+1>Since I have given the seller ample time to make good, and right > this situation to no avail I'm going to post all the details of the > transaction in hopes that no one else will run into the same > problems.</FONT> <FONT size=+1>The material is pale and orangy/tan > in color. Some pieces are slightly attracted to a magnet (but > obviously less than to a real CD), and others are not. They are > mostly rather flat and angular with many having a layered > appearance. The heft is also noticeably lighter than Canyon > Diablos.</FONT> <FONT size=+1>Yes, the purchase was made on > Ebay. The auction # is 1088285627 and is still available for > viewing. The title of the auction is "30+ Pieces of Canyon > Diablo Meteorite". As you can see, the photo is not the > best. I have been tracking the seller closely and they have not > posted any more "meteorite" auctions since the one I bought, > just garage sale junk. I would be very suprised if they are > members of this list, or of the "meteorite community" in > general. There were some auctions of this material sold before > mine, however. I do not recognize any of the bidders or winners of > these auctions but I am not really familiar with people's Ebay user > IDs.</FONT> <FONT size=+1>The user's name is Judith McCabe, with a > user ID of "j.c.z.inc". This is a new user ID. The > one in place for the sale of the "meteorite" material was > "bubbamisen". There was no return address on the box I > received in the mail, but the post mark was Oswego, > NY.</FONT> <FONT size=+1>After expressing my dissatisfaction and > wish to return the merchandise, this is the response I received from the > seller:</FONT> "The items sent you are deffinetly canyon > diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of the meteorite encyclopedia. If > as you say you have indeed been a dealer you would know this. We have > over 150 satisfied customers with this material. And we can prove the > material was collected from the crater rim. " <FONT size=+1>I > emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, explaining to > the best of my ability why I felt the material was misrepresented and > asking for an address to return the material. I received no > reply.</FONT> <FONT size=+1>If anyone has any knowledge of this > person, or this auction, or has had dealings with her please let me know > (on or offlist). I would be interested to know. I'll keep > everyone posted with what happens, just so you know.</FONT> <FONT > size=+1>I'm also going to try to take some pictures this evening of the > material I was sent next to some known Canyon Diablos, and if I can get > a good image I will post it here so you can see it > firsthand.</FONT><FONT size=+1>Thank you again everyone, and any more > replies I get will be most appreciated.</FONT> <FONT > size=+1>Remember Ebayers, it's a jungle out there! : > )</FONT> <FONT size=+1>Regards to all,</FONT><FONT size=+1>Jeannie > Devon</FONT><FONT size=+1>IMCA #9236</FONT><FONT size=+1>The Museum > Store/The Nature Source</FONT><FONT size=+1>Anchorage, AK</FONT><FONT > size=+1><A > href="http://www.thenaturesource.com">www.thenaturesource.com</A></FONT> <FONT > size=+1>______________________________________________</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> Also, You might want to file a case report with the Post Office as this might fall under "Interstate Mail Fraud" codes. There are stiff penalties for individuals that use the mails to defraud people over State lines. Steve Schoner. ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. Received on Thu 23 May 2002 11:01:02 AM PDT |
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