[meteorite-list] More details....& thanks! Got had & need help.

From: SHELLY1999 <SHELLY1999_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:04:51 2004
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Sorry to hear of your dilemma concerning a e-bay auction. I can only say =
that when a seller does not give a return policy with the auction you =
must ask for such. E-MAIL the seller stating " What is your return =
policy " and if you do not get a satisfactory response DO NOT BID!
I have found that this has saved me alot of trouble that I would =
probably had otherwise.
Also save the sellers response if and when a problem does occur you have =
some evidence to backup your claim.
Yours,
Mike Mikowski

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  From: magellon=20
  To: TMS/TNS/HRC ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More details....& thanks! Got had & need =
help.


  Jeannie,=20
  I checked my emails. Not only has this person used the ID's =
"j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen", but also as "pahanaswife". Instead of email =
name " Judith McCabe," this person replied to me in Feb as Colin Scott. =
I am sure this is the same person because the Link to the auction for =
"pahanaswife" now shows the ID "j.c.z.inc". (Feb auction - 200 plus =
pieces meteorite ) This is one slippery person. When asked I about the =
CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from dust as =
they had not been cleaned. I then wrote back asking if he would =
guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) , I have no record of a =
reply.=20
  Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own reference to: " It =
is forbidden to collect this material now after the federal government =
slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have always thought that =
this regulation referred to core material and not oxide. If so, he has =
trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get more info on this. =
Perhaps the someone on the List knows?=20
  I did write "j.c.z.inc" (address - bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com) encouraging =
this person to refund the monies only to get a harsh reply threatening =
to sue me.( sound familiar?) Hopefully, others will write this =
person.(Auction in dispute - Item # 1088285627 ) A large number of =
emails could have an attitude adjusting effect.=20
  Best,=20
  Ken Newton=20
  PS - This person also wrote claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite =
customers, yet he has only 16 feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for =
Canyon Diablo Meteorites and of those only 2 are different persons. =
Where are the other 148?=20
  TMS/TNS/HRC wrote:=20

    Hello list! First off, let me thank again everyone who responded so =
quickly and thoughtfully to my dilemma. I so much appreciate the =
kindness and generosity of this list. What a great group of people! =
Since I have given the seller ample time to make good, and right this =
situation to no avail I'm going to post all the details of the =
transaction in hopes that no one else will run into the same problems. =
The material is pale and orangy/tan in color. Some pieces are slightly =
attracted to a magnet (but obviously less than to a real CD), and others =
are not. They are mostly rather flat and angular with many having a =
layered appearance. The heft is also noticeably lighter than Canyon =
Diablos. Yes, the purchase was made on Ebay. The auction # is =
1088285627 and is still available for viewing. The title of the auction =
is "30+ Pieces of Canyon Diablo Meteorite". As you can see, the photo =
is not the best. I have been tracking the seller closely and they have =
not posted any more "meteorite" auctions since the one I bought, just =
garage sale junk. I would be very suprised if they are members of this =
list, or of the "meteorite community" in general. There were some =
auctions of this material sold before mine, however. I do not recognize =
any of the bidders or winners of these auctions but I am not really =
familiar with people's Ebay user IDs. The user's name is Judith McCabe, =
with a user ID of "j.c.z.inc". This is a new user ID. The one in place =
for the sale of the "meteorite" material was "bubbamisen". There was no =
return address on the box I received in the mail, but the post mark was =
Oswego, NY. After expressing my dissatisfaction and wish to return the =
merchandise, this is the response I received from the seller: "The items =
sent you are deffinetly canyon diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of =
the meteorite encyclopedia. If as you say you have indeed been a dealer =
you would know this. We have over 150 satisfied customers with this =
material. And we can prove the material was collected from the crater =
rim. " I emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, =
explaining to the best of my ability why I felt the material was =
misrepresented and asking for an address to return the material. I =
received no reply. If anyone has any knowledge of this person, or this =
auction, or has had dealings with her please let me know (on or =
offlist). I would be interested to know. I'll keep everyone posted =
with what happens, just so you know. I'm also going to try to take some =
pictures this evening of the material I was sent next to some known =
Canyon Diablos, and if I can get a good image I will post it here so you =
can see it firsthand.Thank you again everyone, and any more replies I =
get will be most appreciated. Remember Ebayers, it's a jungle out there! =
 : ) Regards to all,Jeannie DevonIMCA #9236The Museum Store/The Nature =
SourceAnchorage, AKwww.thenaturesource.com =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry to hear of your dilemma =
concerning a e-bay=20
auction. I can only say that when a seller does not give a return policy =
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the auction you must ask for such. E-MAIL the seller stating " What is =
your=20
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BID!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have found that this has saved me =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also save the sellers response if and =
when a=20
problem does occur you have some evidence to backup your =
claim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yours,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Mikowski</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>----- Original Message =
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net"=20
  title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net>magellon</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:musnat_at_alaska.net"=20
  title=3Dmusnat_at_alaska.net>TMS/TNS/HRC</A> ; <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
  =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 22, 2002 =
4:53=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
More=20
  details....&amp; thanks! Got had &amp; need help.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Jeannie, <BR>I checked my emails. Not only has this =
person used=20
  the ID's "j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen", but also as "pahanaswife". Instead =
of email=20
  name " Judith McCabe," this person replied to me in Feb as Colin =
Scott.&nbsp;=20
  I am sure this is the same person because the Link to the auction for=20
  "pahanaswife" now shows the ID "j.c.z.inc".<FONT size=3D+1> =
</FONT>(Feb auction=20
  -<FONT size=3D+1>&nbsp;</FONT> <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D1071=
009095">200=20
  plus pieces meteorite</A> ) This is one slippery person. When asked I =
about=20
  the CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from =
dust as=20
  they had not been cleaned.&nbsp; I then wrote back asking if he would=20
  guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) ,&nbsp; I have no record =
of a=20
  reply. <BR>Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own =
reference to: "=20
  It is forbidden to collect<B> this materia</B>l now after the federal=20
  government slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have always =
thought=20
  that this regulation referred to<B> core material</B> and not oxide. =
If so, he=20
  has trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get more info on =
this.=20
  Perhaps the someone on the List knows? <BR>I did write "j.c.z.inc" =
(address -=20
  bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com) encouraging this person to refund&nbsp; the =
monies only=20
  to get a harsh reply threatening to sue me.( sound =
familiar?)&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Hopefully, others will write this person.(Auction in dispute -&nbsp; =
<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D10882856=
27">Item=20
  # 1088285627</A> )&nbsp; A large number of emails could have an =
attitude=20
  adjusting effect. <BR>Best, <BR>Ken Newton <BR>PS - This person also =
wrote=20
  claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite customers, yet he has only 16 =

  feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for Canyon Diablo Meteorites and of =
those=20
  only 2 are different persons.&nbsp; Where are the other 148?<FONT=20
  size=3D+1></FONT>=20
  <P>TMS/TNS/HRC wrote:=20
  <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">
    <STYLE></STYLE>
    <FONT size=3D+1>Hello list!</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>First off, =
let me thank=20
    again everyone who responded so quickly and thoughtfully to my=20
    dilemma.&nbsp; I so much appreciate the kindness and generosity of =
this=20
    list.&nbsp; What a great group of people!</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D+1>Since I=20
    have given the seller ample time to make good, and right this =
situation to=20
    no avail I'm going to post all the details of the transaction in =
hopes that=20
    no one else will run into the same problems.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D+1>The=20
    material is pale and orangy/tan in color.&nbsp; Some pieces are =
slightly=20
    attracted to a magnet (but obviously less than to a real CD), and =
others are=20
    not.&nbsp; They are mostly rather flat and angular with many having =
a=20
    layered appearance.&nbsp; The heft is also noticeably lighter than =
Canyon=20
    Diablos.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>Yes, the purchase was made on =
Ebay.&nbsp;=20
    The auction # is 1088285627 and is still available for =
viewing.&nbsp; The=20
    title of the auction is "30+ Pieces of Canyon Diablo =
Meteorite".&nbsp; As=20
    you can see, the photo is not the best.&nbsp; I have been tracking =
the=20
    seller closely and they have not posted any more "meteorite" =
auctions since=20
    the one I bought, just garage sale junk.&nbsp; I would be very =
suprised if=20
    they are members of this list, or of the "meteorite community" in=20
    general.&nbsp; There were some auctions of this material sold before =
mine,=20
    however.&nbsp; I do not recognize any of the bidders or winners of =
these=20
    auctions but I am not really familiar with people's Ebay user=20
    IDs.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>The user's name is Judith McCabe, =
with a user=20
    ID of "j.c.z.inc".&nbsp; This is a new user ID.&nbsp; The one in =
place for=20
    the sale of the "meteorite" material was "bubbamisen".&nbsp; There =
was no=20
    return address on the box I received in the mail, but the post mark =
was=20
    Oswego, NY.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>After expressing my =
dissatisfaction=20
    and wish to return the merchandise, this is the response I received =
from the=20
    seller:</FONT>&nbsp;"The items sent you are deffinetly canyon diablo =

    meteorite as listed in issue 5 of the meteorite encyclopedia. If as =
you say=20
    you have indeed been a dealer you would know this. We have over 150=20
    satisfied customers with this material. And we can prove the =
material was=20
    collected from the crater rim. "&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>I emailed back =
with a=20
    very straightforward and polite reply, explaining to the best of my =
ability=20
    why I felt the material was misrepresented and asking for an address =
to=20
    return the material.&nbsp; I received no reply.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D+1>If=20
    anyone has any knowledge of this person, or this auction, or has had =

    dealings with her please let me know (on or offlist).&nbsp; I would =
be=20
    interested to know.&nbsp; I'll keep everyone posted with what =
happens, just=20
    so you know.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D+1>I'm also going to try to =
take some=20
    pictures this evening of the material I was sent next to some known =
Canyon=20
    Diablos, and if I can get a good image I will post it here so you =
can see it=20
    firsthand.</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>Thank you again everyone, and any =
more=20
    replies I get will be most appreciated.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D+1>Remember=20
    Ebayers, it's a jungle out there!&nbsp; : )</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT=20
    size=3D+1>Regards to all,</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>Jeannie =
Devon</FONT><FONT=20
    size=3D+1>IMCA #9236</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>The Museum Store/The =
Nature=20
    Source</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>Anchorage, AK</FONT><FONT size=3D+1><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.thenaturesource.com">www.thenaturesource.com</A></FONT=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT=20
    =
size=3D+1>______________________________________________</FONT></BLOCKQUO=
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