[meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong
From: capricorn89 <capricorn89_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:04:50 2004 Message-ID: <004f01c1ffbc$115e1ec0$df36b2d1_at_earthlink.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FF81.645F0F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Reed wrote <<Is their a machine you can buy to test samples?>>=20 You are correct that Geology departments have neither the equipment nor = the expertise to recognize and classify meteorites, in general. This is = very specialized and requires the skills (in some respects, almost an = art) and experience of researchers who also have the necessary = equipment. The 'expert' can interpret a thin-section to determine the = meteorite's petrologic type, but electron (ion) microprobes are also = necessary to analyze its chemical makeup, such as its fayalite % (H, L, = LL). Furthermore, one has to know how to use said equipment and apply = it to meteorites. ( It not like just taking up a collection and buying = a microprobe and reading a graph! ) The following is a description from the U.C.L.A. Geochemistry website: =20 <<are operating a high resolution, high-sensitivity ion microprobe - the = first of its kind in the western hemisphere>>=20 <<Chondritic meteorites are studied with petrographic, chemical and = isotopic techniques ... Differentiated meteorites and lunar samples = offer valuable comparisons for igneous processes in systems simpler than = those occurring on Earth. Neutron activation is used to survey = concentrations of trace elements, for example, noble metals near = geological boundaries associated with inferred catastrophic impact = events.>> Ron Hartman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Reed=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classic eBay M-Wrong =20 Ken , I think your making to big a deal out of this. Any serious = person will check them out before spending a sizable amount of money You = spent 40.00 on a phony=20 but, look what it got you your now an expert on the whole subject You = know what they say about guilt or innocence in the criminal justice = system " Its better that=20 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be found guilty " here's = how that applies to meteorites Its better that a 100 people buy a 40.00 = fake than 1 real=20 meteorite be discarded Also even fake meteorites can make people = curious and genuinely interested which means your collection is worth = more just by the amount=20 of that interest I am a licensed landscape contractor and guess what? = I charge more because a lot of times the unlicensed can't do the work = therefor more work is=20 funneled to me more demand for a higher standard means more for $ me. = I think meteorites will naturally follow that same course and be found = out in the end only=20 to the benefit of the legitimate collector I really think the focus = should be on quicker and more conclusive testing Universities are not = well equiped for real testing=20 and I know by thier methods they are probably overlooking the most = rarest type the low metals since they primarily test with a magnet = Where are all the private labs=20 hiding where you can pay and find out EXACTLY what you have? , they = are out there but' their not set up for meteorite ID that well Its not = an easy process getting=20 a straight answer on a rock sample in fact its very difficult it = needs to be streamlined Is their a machine you can buy to test samples? = shove it in like an oven turn a=20 dial out comes a print out of your samples enerts, if there is I'm = going to get one and start charging all those fakers 5$ each to = conclusively absolutely, undeniably=20 certifiably identify their ? I think ther could be a big demand What = do you think? Also check this out, this is what the universitiy = called quartz let me know what=20 you think http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/projects/Snowwhite.htm Thanks = John=20 Here's my quote=20 "leave them alone, and they'll come home=20 wagging their tales behind them"=20 Little bo peep=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FF81.645F0F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>John Reed wrote <<Is their a machine you can buy to test=20 samples?>> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are correct that Geology departments have neither the=20 equipment nor the expertise to recognize and classify meteorites, = in=20 general. This is very specialized and requires the skills (in some = respects, almost an art) and experience of researchers who also have=20 the necessary equipment. The 'expert' can interpret a=20 thin-section to determine the meteorite's petrologic type, but = electron=20 (ion) microprobes are also necessary to analyze its chemical = makeup, such=20 as its fayalite % (H, L, LL). Furthermore, one has to know = how to use=20 said equipment and apply it to meteorites. ( It not like just = taking up a=20 collection and buying a microprobe and reading a graph! )</DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The following is a description from the U.C.L.A. Geochemistry=20 website: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><<are operating a high resolution, high-sensitivity ion = microprobe -=20 the first of its kind in the western hemisphere>>=20 <P><<Chondritic meteorites are studied with petrographic, chemical = and=20 isotopic techniques ... Differentiated meteorites and lunar samples = offer=20 valuable comparisons for igneous processes in systems simpler than those = occurring on Earth. Neutron activation is used to survey concentrations = of trace=20 elements, for example, noble metals near geological boundaries = associated with=20 inferred catastrophic impact events.>></P> <P>Ron Hartman</P></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:john_at_findalltrades.com" = title=3Djohn_at_findalltrades.com>John=20 Reed</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20 = title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr= al.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:58 = PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = Classic=20 eBay M-Wrong</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> =20 <P>Ken , I think your making to big a deal out of this. Any serious = person=20 will check them out before spending a sizable amount of money You = spent 40.00=20 on a phony <BR>but, look what it got you your now an expert on the = whole=20 subject You know what they say about guilt or innocence in the = criminal=20 justice system " Its better that <BR>100 guilty men go free than 1 = innocent=20 man be found guilty " here's how that applies to meteorites Its = better=20 that a 100 people buy a 40.00 fake than 1 real <BR>meteorite be=20 discarded Also even fake meteorites can make people curious and=20 genuinely interested which means your collection is worth more just by = the=20 amount <BR>of that interest I am a licensed landscape contractor and = guess=20 what? I charge more because a lot of times the unlicensed can't = do the=20 work therefor more work is <BR>funneled to me more demand for a higher = standard means more for $ me. I think meteorites will naturally = follow=20 that same course and be found out in the end only <BR>to the benefit = of =20 the legitimate collector I really think the focus should be on = quicker=20 and more conclusive testing Universities are not well equiped = for real=20 testing <BR>and I know by thier methods they are probably overlooking = the most=20 rarest type the low metals since they primarily test with a = magnet Where=20 are all the private labs <BR>hiding where you can pay and find out = EXACTLY=20 what you have? , they are out there but' their not set up for = meteorite ID=20 that well Its not an easy process getting <BR>a straight answer = on a=20 rock sample in fact its very difficult it needs to be = streamlined Is=20 their a machine you can buy to test samples? shove it in like an oven = turn a=20 <BR>dial out comes a print out of your samples enerts, if there = is I'm=20 going to get one and start charging all those fakers 5$ each to = conclusively=20 absolutely, undeniably <BR>certifiably identify their ? I think = ther=20 could be a big demand What do you think? Also = check=20 this out, this is what the universitiy called quartz let me know = what=20 <BR>you think <A href=3D"http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/">=20 http://www.FINDALLTRADES.COM/</A>projects/Snowwhite.htm Thanks John=20 <BR> Here's my quote=20 <BR> "leave them alone, and = they'll come=20 home <BR> wagging their tales behind them"=20 = <BR> &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 Little bo peep </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FF81.645F0F20-- Received on Mon 20 May 2002 01:06:14 AM PDT |
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