[meteorite-list] IMCA not INRMCA
From: Rob Wesel <Nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:00:10 2004 Message-ID: <00ee01c2343f$1688e710$4e9fe70c_at_GOLIATH> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C23404.69CCD3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am afraid I am going to have to chime in with Ken and others here.=20 The International Non-Racist Meteorite Collectors Association needs to = be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do with the foundation of = this organization. Just because the word international is included = doesn't mean we all have to get along. I love Matteo, but his posts bug = me, same with Arnold, and now Rhett. Lists have rules, that's fine because they are usually owned by one = person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can write whatever rules he = wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a bigger deal than = joining a chat room in that we all joined en masse upon review and after = team construction/approval of it's policies.=20 Now I see the emergence of a single moderator adding, as he sees fit, = any policy he wants without consent of the members of the organization. = If this was a decision of the board then I stand corrected, and still = protest the decision. The truth, meteorite distribution is a predominately testosterone driven = ego challenge, dealers don't always get along. Our list is never the = right place for this but it usually goes away. Very few ever get kicked = off or even put on probation, and here Arnold is singled out even after = his post was prematurely deleted.=20 As much as I dread the daily ads, I think Arnold should be left to do as = he does. Remember how pissed we got at Mohammad, Steve Arnold From = Chicago is mild by comparison.=20 Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not politics and remember that there is a = board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA list is not a place for = flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus Rhett...do you = read every post before sending it along or were you singling out Arnold = well before that to have blasted his posts before they could ever be = seen? Matteo, sorry you were offended, but deal with it. Rhett, take it down a = notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have to do. The ink has worn off = my delete key. We're eight months in on the IMCA and it seems to be working, Rhett's = contribution is appreciated, lets not revert back to bickering, = martyrdom and chaos but instead keep it simple, protect buyers when = possible and inform the public as we have been doing.
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Rob Wesel # 9275
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We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
----- Original Message -----=20
From: magellon=20
To: Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS
Rhett,=20
I am even more confused? Steve said "pisano" in a private e-mail that =
Matteo made public...=20
Then Steve admits his mistake to you privately, and you then teach =
him a lesson by putting him on=20
"probation"? Does he still receive posts from the IMCA group site? Or =
did you stop those?=20
If he admitted he was mad and wrong, why punish him?=20
He's not racist - He was just being mad and wrong.=20
Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between two =
people.=20
Why are you bringing the IMCA into this?=20
To establish "peace" is NOT a good reason.=20
The IMCA is for the authenticity of meteorites "period".=20
Are things more peaceful now?=20
You know as well as anyone that people get mad and say things they =
should not.=20
First, it is up to the two individuals to try to straighten things out =
on their own.=20
It saddens me that you say you would do it again.=20
Rhett, this appears not be a matter of racism but more an excuse=20
to push someone around you admittedly don't like.=20
No? Just substitute any other big dealer in Steve's place.=20
If Mike Farmer (not picking on you Mike :>) had said this to Matteo,=20
would you have reacted the same way?=20
If you answer "yes," then why haven't you in the past?=20
You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your good =
example.=20
You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke IMCA rules.=20
So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when you try =
without changing the path of IMCA.=20
I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say so =
in the new change to IMCA or not?=20
It sounded as if you did it on your own.=20
Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing decisions? =
Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before.=20
We all appreciate your past achievements.=20
But, If you are serious (which I doubt), I will be glad accept the =
position. (thank you)=20
Best case scenario, I would share it with Jake Delgato or another =
member)=20
Thanks,=20
Ken Newton=20
How fights get started=20
#9632=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am afraid I am going to have to chime =
in with Ken=20
and others here. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The International Non-Racist Meteorite =
Collectors=20
Association needs to be at a separate URL, it really has nothing to do =
with the=20
foundation of this organization. Just because the word =
<EM>international</EM> is=20
included doesn't mean we all have to get along. I love Matteo, but =
his=20
posts bug me, same with Arnold, and now Rhett.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lists have rules, that's fine because =
they are=20
usually owned by one person who calls the House Rules. Mr. Jones can =
write=20
whatever rules he wants, it's his deal. The IMCA is our deal. It was a =
bigger=20
deal than joining a chat room in that we all joined en masse upon =
review=20
and after team construction/approval of it's policies. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I see the emergence of a single =
moderator=20
adding, as he sees fit, any policy he wants without consent of the =
members of=20
the organization. If this was a decision of the board then I stand =
corrected,=20
and still protest the decision.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The truth, meteorite distribution is a=20
predominately testosterone driven ego challenge, dealers don't always =
get along.=20
Our list is never the right place for this but it usually goes away. =
Very few=20
ever get kicked off or even put on probation, and here Arnold is singled =
out=20
even after his post was prematurely deleted. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As much as I dread the daily ads, I =
think Arnold=20
should be left to do as he does. Remember how pissed we got at Mohammad, =
Steve=20
Arnold From Chicago is mild by comparison. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leave the IMCA to meteorites, not =
politics and=20
remember that there is a board to decide such matters. Yes, the IMCA =
list is not=20
a place for flame wars, or sales pitches, that's clear, but Jesus =
Rhett...do you=20
read every post before sending it along or were you singling out Arnold =
well=20
before that to have blasted his posts before they could ever be=20
seen?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Matteo, sorry you were offended, but =
deal with it.=20
Rhett, take it down a notch. Steve, just....oh...do what you have to do. =
The ink=20
has worn off my delete key.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We're eight months in on the IMCA =
and it seems=20
to be working, Rhett's contribution is appreciated, lets not revert back =
to=20
bickering, martyrdom and chaos but instead keep it simple, protect =
buyers=20
when possible and inform the public as we have been =
doing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>--<BR>Rob Wesel #=20
9275<BR>------------------<BR>We are the music makers...and we are the =
dreamers=20
of the dreams.<BR>Willy Wonka, 1971</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net">magellon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3DMeteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Meteorite-List_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-List@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 =
5:05=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list]=20
THANKS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Rhett, <BR>I am even more confused? Steve said "pisano" =
in a=20
private e-mail that Matteo made public... <BR>Then Steve admits his =
mistake to=20
you privately, and you then teach him a lesson by =
putting =20
him on <BR>"probation"? Does he still receive posts from the IMCA =
group site?=20
Or did you stop those? <BR>If he admitted he was mad and wrong, why =
punish=20
him? <BR>He's not racist - He was just being mad and wrong.=20
<P>Rhett, I may not know the whole story but I know this was between =
two=20
people. <BR>Why are you bringing the IMCA into this? <BR>To establish =
"peace"=20
is NOT a good reason. <BR>The IMCA is for the authenticity of =
meteorites=20
"period". <BR>Are things more peaceful now? <BR>You know as well as=20
anyone that people get mad and say things they should not. =
<BR>First, it=20
is up to the two individuals to try to straighten things out on their =
own.=20
<BR>It saddens me that you say you would do it again. <BR>Rhett, this =
appears=20
not be a matter of racism but more an excuse <BR>to push someone =
around =20
you admittedly don't like. <BR>No? Just substitute any other big =
dealer in=20
Steve's place. <BR>If Mike Farmer (not picking on you Mike :>) had =
said=20
this to Matteo, <BR> would you have reacted the same way? <BR>If =
you=20
answer "yes," then why haven't you in the past?=20
<P>You can not force people to be nice but they can learn from your =
good=20
example. <BR>You have kindly and privately reproved me when I broke =
IMCA=20
rules. <BR>So, I know you can create a harmonious environment when you =
try=20
without changing the path of IMCA.=20
<P>I could not understand from your comment if the board had any say =
so in the=20
new change to IMCA or not? <BR>It sounded as if you did it on your =
own.=20
<BR>Does the board no longer make these type of policy changing =
decisions?=20
<P>Please don't start talking about quitting like you did before. =
<BR>We all=20
appreciate your past achievements. <BR>But, <B>If you are serious</B> =
(which I=20
doubt), <B>I will be glad accept the position</B>. (thank you) =
<BR>Best=20
case scenario, I would share it with Jake Delgato or another =
member)=20
<P>Thanks, <BR>Ken Newton <BR> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.bay-town.com/members/magellon/toon/nutnbitch.jpg">How =
fights=20
get started</A> <BR>#9632 </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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