[meteorite-list] Eaggle Butte little reassumed - a brief comment

From: John Gwilliam <jkgdiver_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:54:08 2004
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020222081247.009bd590_at_pop.primenet.com>

Matteo and List Members,

It seems to me that the logical thing to do would be to purchase a piece of
this alleged Eagle Butte, Eaggle Butte, Eagle Button...whatever, and simply
send it to a reputable lab to have it tested. This would give some
finality to the current issue.

Just because a meteorite isn't listed in an official publication doesn't
mean it isn't a genuine meteorite. I personally know of about several
different meteorites found in Arizona, Nevada and California that have not
been "officially" reported by the finders. Their silence is for a variety
of reasons which are readily understood by any of us that hunt for meteorites.

You wag you finger at these folks you are in dispute with claiming fraud
and poor science. What if this material does prove to be a meteorite?

Regards,

John Gwilliam

At 12:15 AM 2/22/02 -0800, Matteo Chinellato wrote:
>hello all
>
>Then, this is a small reassumed of the situation:
>
>After my demand care greater information on the
>meteorite Eagle Butte, this personage has said to me
>that the meteorite had been found in the place
>described in the first email that I have sent to you.
>To my second answer, informing that it did not turn
>out in the Catalogue of Meteorites this meteorite and
>that ne I wanted to know more, the person has sended
>the first email to me:
>
>Hey, IDIOT! Are you telling me that the University of
>Calgary and a university in Miami not to mention
>myself (having a PhD in Geology/Paleontology and a BSc
>with a major in Astrophysics) are liars? I know this
>guy very well and have seen the meteorites first hand.
>They are genuine! ALSO, he does not require a permit
>to sell them, I talked to the government of Alberta
>for him to obtain all the necessary documents needed
>to sell, THERE WERE NONE REQUIRED! If you would like
>to contact them yourself, go ahead. As far as I am
>concerned if you do not stop contacting all of his
>buyers I will have you suspended from eBay. I have
>studied the area from which these meteorites were
>collected, if you knew what a map looked like you
>would see the astrobleme for yourself (considering you
>know what the hell an astrobleme is). If you know how
>to read coordinates the site is located at Lat.49.70,
>Long. 110.58 on the Alberta Geological Survey's
>Geological map of Alberta, you can find this map on
>the Alberta Geological Surveys Web site, I'd send you
>the link but I have no patients for people who speak
>before they think or RESEARCH!!!!! Another note, you
>addressed the e-mail you sent me "Dear Sir", well
>unless I've grown a penis in the time it's taken you
>to get your small minded theories on to an e-mail to
>irritate people you don't even know and make a
>complete ass out of yourself, I prefer to be called
>"Dr. or Ma'am". You have no idea how stupid you sound.
>These meteorites are for real so I suggest you get a
>life and find another hobby, maybe something you're
>good at, because you obviously can't tell genuine
>material from the empty space in your head. One more
>thing, IF it were illegal to sell these items on
>e-Bay, e-Bay would have sent notification of such, not
>only this but there are numerous Professors,
>Geologists, Paleontologists, etc., etc. who watch
>e-Bay like hawks to ensure that Alberta's protected
>resources are not being sold illegally over the
>internet. A good friend and collegue of mine has
>contacted this seller to let him know that he was not
>to sell some of his other items due to protectability
>under the Alberta Government, for example, dinosaur
>bones I believe you notably criticized as being
>'cattle bones' (if my recollection serves me
>correctly). This seller has sent me numerous copies of
>your rediculous e-mails, I gave him all the
>information he needed to deal with your sorry ass and
>now you're taking up my time. I write this letter not
>as a professional but as a friend, so please, don't go
>opening your big mouth to people you don't know, when
>you don't know what you are talking about; that is
>unless you enjoy making an ass out of yourself.
>
>Do not try to contact me again, I WILL have you
>suspended from e-Bay for harassment of buyers and
>obstruction of a sellers auctions.
>
>Sincerely,
>T.L. Schimpf, PhD. BSc.
>
>To mine third demand for why this behavior, the kind
>Miss. has sent me the second email:
>
>EAT A DICK BUDDY!!! AND LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH
>PROPERLY!!! OF COURSE
>"EAGLE 'BUTTON'" ISN'T A METEORITE, IT'S "EAGLE BUTTE"
>SHIT FOR BRAINS. STOP
>HARASSING ME YOU SICK-O. I will now be contacting
>e-Bay about you and you
>WILL be suspended. Are you hearing impaired or what
>because you sound worse
>than a two year old. Also, the Eagle "BUTTE" (not
>Button) Astrobleme is not
>a meteorite, it is the impact site of the meteorite. I
>really want to know
>what makes you so sure that this rock that my friend
>excavated is not a
>meteorite when he went through testing proceedures for
>over a year to make
>absolutely sure that's what it was. Not only that, but
>to sit on your pompas
>ass and call me a liar. I am part of a highly elite
>team of experts that
>explores and excavates such rare finds. I sit on the
>board of trustee's at
>the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, AB. But you who
>thinks he is all
>enlightened are trying to tell me that I'm wrong when
>clearly my four year
>son has obviously obtained a higher IQ than you. You
>should really read your
>e-mails before you send them, you sound like you have
>down syndrome.
>
>tlc_asap PhD., BSc.
>
>To my demand to moderate the language otherwise I
>would have taken provisions in merit with ebay and
>listing to all meteorites with Eagle beginning found
>in the Catalogue of Meteorites asking where the Eagle
>Butte was found, the person sends me this email:
>
>For starters the Catalogue of Meteorites of the
>British Museum is also
>incorrect as I have 31 samples that have never been
>recorded in any
>books
>and are totally unclassified. If you rely all your
>sources in books,
>then
>there is your answer. You have a lot of nerve to
>contact me again and
>having others doing the same. You are a first class
>prick. Stick to
>making
>lables, it seems you do not know jack about meteorites
>and their
>locations,
>only what the books tell you. Lighten up, I will be
>reporting to eBay
>again
>about your inflicting the rights of privacy from
>others. Stop
>contacting
>fellow friends and workers. I do not tollerate your
>kind.
>
>Sign that this person not to know not even that what
>has in hand, therefore puts in sale of false
>meteorites, even if I have said to make to make one
>analysis by the piece to it. Yesterday I have sent the
>offensive emails to Ebay and this is the answer:
>
>Thank you for writing to eBay Customer Support in
>reference to the
>abusive email messages you have received. I can
>certainly understand
>your frustration and concern.
>
>While eBay has no jurisdiction over members' private
>email
>correspondence sent via their own internet service
>provider (ISP), if
>this message was sent through our new email forwarding
>system, please
>forward the entire message, with headers, to
>safeharbor_at_ebay.com for
>review. I have included instructions on how to get
>email headers at the
>bottom of this email just in case you are unsure of
>where to find
>these.
>
>If you are having trouble with a fellow member there
>are several steps
>you can take. First, the easiest thing to do is block
>the sender's
>incoming emails. This is a feature provided by most
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>do not reply or
>respond. It is always best to not escalate an already
>tense situation.
>
>Next, report the emails to the sender's ISP or email
>provider. If the
>emails are deemed inappropriate, the ISP/email
>provider has
>jurisdiction
>to take appropriate action.
>
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>personal safety due
>to these emails, you should report this incident to
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>enforcement agency.
>
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>Thank you for using eBay for your online trading
>needs.
>
>Hour I have not very understood that what is the last
>point of the email of Ebay, practically I would have
>to put uin ignores the email of this person and to
>leave that other persons continue to acquire of false
>meteorites? The problem is that I do not succeed to
>trace the ID of ebay of this person, otherwise would
>make endured demanded of banned of this person from
>Ebay, the single data that I have are these: "Keith &
>Tammy Crawford" <tlcasap_at_telusplanet.net> and the ID
>on Ebay is this GeoPaleo_Guy if you see now have put
>others 2 pieces of this Eagle Butte.
>I make excuses myself if disturbance with this email,
>but I find that this person is dishonourable to remain
>on Ebay to sell false meteorites, continuing to write
>METEORITE in its auctions
>
>Regards
>
>Matteo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=====
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