[meteorite-list] The Pelisson,s. METEORITE GODS

From: MARK BOSTICK <thebigcollector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:54:06 2004
Message-ID: <F43yXvEbjkyqU7a0xtA0000370f_at_hotmail.com>

Makes me wonder how many letters like this the Pelisson's have sent out to
those that are interested in our great hobby?

The DAG's are nice meteorites and I have many in my collection and have sold
several. It is a shame that they would continue to act in such manner to
those less educated in meteorites.

Mark Bostick, The Big Collector


>From: LABENNE METEORITES <metlabo1_at_worldnet.fr>
>To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_hotmail.com>,
>meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Pelisson,s. METEORITE GODS
>Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:23:50 +0100
>
>Just some correction on these informations,
>
>As you know, all the SAHXXX meteorites are our find from a location that we
>don't want to disclose at present time and for example the Sahara 99555 is
>the stone number 555 found in the year 1999. It's an official
>identification number which was used by our family and published in the
>meteoritic bulletin(Labenne family = Marc, Luc and Jim Labenne, not three
>brothers but two broters, me and Jim, Marc is our father). In the past we
>sold many unclassified individuals with 99XXX and 00XXX even if some are
>probably from the same large shower paired with the SAH98222 (a brecciated
>L6 with ringwoodite). The raison is that we have collected thousands of
>meteorites but only the "best" was classified. If a dealer have a analysis
>result and classification of one of these stones, it will be a pleasure to
>communicate the coordonates we have in our data base (except the degree).
>Yes, you'll find the list of the official meteorites named "Sahara xxxxx"
>in the different publication of the Meteoritical Bulletin and yes only few
>was classified and published but note that hundreds of samples are in
>different laboratories (the main part in Münster in Germany) still waiting
>that some researcher have interest in classified "ordinary chondrite" !! So
>we have sold also individuals with a sample removed and in this case the
>sample still wait classification...
>
>I'm sure the quantity of meteorites discovered is now go down because, even
>if the desert area in the world are large, there are not so many good place
>easy to visit to organized suystematic research. From our view, our best
>place we know in the Sahara (not disclosed) are almost empty, only few
>more good places exist in Libya but not easily accessible, the Dhofar and
>SAU places in Oman were a very good place (we have found twelve individual
>Lunar meteorites) but seem now almost empty and about the NWA, those
>returned recently from Marocco say that the quantity they saw in not so
>bigger that before. Now it' s the time to acquire the rare and common stuff
>from hot desert at a very good price, for example you'll find classified
>chondrites with black fusion crust (SAU001) at only $250 by kilo, thin
>slices (1mm thick) of SNC at $300/g and Lunar at $1500/g (1g minimal
>order). In my opinion in probably one more year when only few new
>meteorites will appear on the market (if you compare with the hundred of
>new meteorites now), the prices will increase. For me there are not good or
>bad meteorites (the bad supposely from Marocco/NWA and the good from USA or
>other places), there are well documented or poorly documented meteorites,
>well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice or bad looking meteorites and
>scientificaly important or not meteorites, with all the intermediate state.
>
>Meteoriticaly,
>
>Luc Labenne for Labenne Meteorites,
>
>Visit our new web site at http://ww.lunar-meteorite.com
>http://www.labenne-meteorites.com
>
>A 16:21 12/02/02, dean bessey a écrit :
> >As many of you know I have sold artifacts for longer than I have sold
> >meteorites. One of the ploys that some slimy artifact dealers do is to
>tell
> >anybody who brings them something for them to authtenticate is to tell
>them
> >that it is a fake. That way they think that the potential nieve customer
> >will feel that he is a very knowledgable dealer and in the future only
>buy
> >stuff from him. I once had a dealer do that to me with an egyptian
>artifact
> >with prominance from a famous collection that was shown to several
>experts
> >including one of the worlds leading experts of artifats with the British
> >Museum.
> >Meteorite dealers might try this also. I had a customer who bought a
>common
> >chondrite from morocco from me once who contacted another dealer who said
> >that he would classify it for him (Since my understanding is that Marvin
> >Kilgore is the only dealer who can classify meteorites you know that they
> >story is fishy already because it wasnt kilgore who did this) and then
>told
> >him that it was not a meteorite.
> >What does this have to do with the Pelissons? Absolutely nothing. However
>it
> >is an example of slimy tactics that certain dealers use when they try to
> >undermine some aspect of a business that they dont like (Such as
>competation
> >for instance).
> >Here is a letter written by the Pelissons to some collector asking if
>they
> >could authtenticate a desert meteorite. I make no comments here (Dont
>want
> >Art mad at me) but the slime speaks for itself. The Pellisons are of
>course
> >technically right in what they say here. Its just that one would think
>from
> >reading the Pelisson letter that desert meteorites are nothing short of a
> >scam that wouldent be touched by serious dealers or researshers. The
> >Pellisons are distorting facts to put down a part of the sahara meteorite
> >business that they dont like. It should be noted that this letter was not
> >written to a customer of mine and was given to me by another dealer.
> >This is a sad reflection of an hobby when certain people in it like the
> >Pellisons continues to act like this and to continue stating that their
>way
> >of doing things is the only correct way that the world should work. The
> >meteorite hobby will never become mainstream until this stupid infighting
>in
> >the interest of short term profits ends. While the letter is technically
> >correct it is very misleading about the status of desert meteorites.
>There
> >is no effort to tell this new collector of meteorites that desert finds
>have
> >a special status in the meteorite world. Thats why the meteoritical
>society
> >recogonizes meteorites using a NWA or Sahara name.
> >Below is the letter that the pellisons wrote to a potential new collector
> >looking to maximize the amount of meteoritic material that he wants to
>buy
> >with limited funds. Just look at the time spent into creating this letter
> >and the ffort to totally confuse a new collector.
> >With sad reflections
> >DEAN
> >___________________________________________________________________
> >Sahara 99937 is the stone number 937 found in the year 1999, it's a
> >temporary identification number which was used by the Labenne family.
> >It will never be recognized as a new meteorite, excepted if you find a
> >laboratory to classify your sample. But laboratories need a type
> >specimen archived for future studies and a thin section for microprobe
> >measures (200 points).
> >Each year in July, the Meteoritical Society publishes a supplement to
> >METEORITICS AND PLANETARY SCIENCE in which are recorded all the new
> >meteorites of the previous year. This document is really the bible for
> >any serious meteoricist. The info given there present the most reliable
> >source for the entire community. Here is the list of the official
> >meteorites named "Sahara xxxxx" in the last publication of the
>Meteoritical
> >Bulletin. Only 17 have been recorded last year and all are meteorites
>with
> >unknown location. See page 23:
> >http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb85.pdf
> >TKW, is the Total Known Weight of the piece, the sample 99937 was
> >probably a 200 grams piece before cut. It is a commercial rock which
> >will never be officially recognized as a meteorite, many Sahara xxxxx are
> >paired specimen which come from the same old fall, but the information is
> >unavailable and can't be verified. Everybody can use a NWA or Sahara name
> >today to sell a rock which is not a meteorite because there is no
>scientific
> >work done and type specimen preserved on the majority of these stones.
> >Best Regards,
> >Richard & Roland Pelisson
> >http://www.SaharaMet.com/
> >http://www.saharamet.com/desert/meteorite/prospect.html
> >PS: copy of a mail from Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman, Editor, Meteoritical
> >Bulletin US Geological Survey People buying/trading meteorites should
>also
> >keep in mind that if a meteorite name (including its number, if any) does
> >NOT appear in the Met. Bulletin (published or on-line), then there is no
> >guarantee that it has ever been looked at by a meteorite expert or that
>the
> >NomCom has ever scrutinized the name, location data, classification, etc.
> >(or worse,
> >it HAS scrutinized the information and rejected/changed it!).
> >
> >
> >
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