[meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]
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Date: Thu Apr 22 09:47:05 2004 Message-ID: <20011106060505.28529.cpmta_at_c000.snv.cp.net> "> >Steve, if you have time, it would be most interesting to see a photo >of one of your Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the >Russian Academy." Will do, In fact I was looking at them just earlier, before I put them back into storage. Will get them out and take photos of them and post. And yes, the cloth labels are there with the typed numbers. And I have the original specimen labels, too. >From the Academey of Sciences. I got these from Krinov himself in 1971. Steve Schoner. AMS Steve Schoner > On Sun, 04 November 2001, "Rob Lenssen" wrote: > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type> > <META content='"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=GENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY> > <DIV><FONT size=2>Geoff wrote:</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2>"The yellow and black collection number appears to match > the one on your specimen, and is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a > well-known mineral collector, who also had a substantial meteorite > collection."</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#000000>BINGO!!!</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#000000>I was told that an American mineral dealer named Herb > Obodda, bought the specimen I own now, in Moscow many years ago. What I didn't > know is that he had his own labels.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>Thanks Geoff!</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Rob Lenssen</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<BR>Van: <A > href="mailto:geoking_at_notkin.net">geoking@notkin.net</A> <<A > href="mailto:geoking_at_notkin.net">geoking@notkin.net</A>><BR>Aan: <A > href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A> > <<A > href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A>><BR>Datum: > zondag 4 november 2001 5:21<BR>Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of > Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, > and List:<BR>><BR>>I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, > when Dave <BR>>Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing > labels on <BR>>some "old collection" Sikhote-Alins. Collection > numbers interest me, <BR>>so I've done a bit more research over the past few > days.<BR>><BR>>Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, > uncleaned and <BR>>slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They > carry a <BR>>white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection > numbers. <BR>>Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National > Academy of <BR>>Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and > photos, and <BR>>also had a labelling question (I think I have your answer, > Rob, see <BR>>below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens don't > match <BR>>Krinov's numbers, so there was some doubt.<BR>><BR>>First > off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you <BR>>supplied > here:<BR>><A > href="http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg">http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg</A> > and here: <BR>><A > href="http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg">http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg</A><BR>><BR>>I > find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in > <BR>>Rob's photo "0067," and mine "0112," were evidently > not collected <BR>>during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the > light coating <BR>>of rust. You would expect the really low numbers to have > been from <BR>>the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly > pristine <BR>>condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered out of > order <BR>>at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or maybe they > <BR>>were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : > )<BR>><BR>>Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found > proof <BR>>that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had > the <BR>>good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about > Tunguska <BR>>and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, > and I <BR>>ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is > <BR>>(obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never > <BR>>been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the > <BR>>task. The title reads (phonetically) "Zhelezny Dozhd," and the > cover <BR>>is a two-color reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 > of <BR>>the book -- published in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin > <BR>>specimen which appears to carry the same type of label. I know it's a > <BR>>terribly bad quality image, but you should have seen it before I > <BR>>cleaned it up in Photoshop : )<BR>><BR>>Have a > look: <A > href="http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm">http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm</A><BR>><BR>>Compare > the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin "0112," > <BR>>immediately below on the same page.<BR>><BR>>Steve, if you have > time, it would be most interesting to see a photo <BR>>of one of your > Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the <BR>>Russian > Academy.<BR>><BR>>Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to identify > the label on <BR>>his collection piece here:<BR>><BR>><A > href="http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg">http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>Rob, > please compare your photo to the bottom picture on my page:<BR>><BR>><A > href="http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm">http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>My > photo is of a piece of Chico Hills, New Mexico (H4). The yellow <BR>>and > black collection number appears to match the one on your <BR>>specimen, and > is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a <BR>>well-known mineral > collector, who also had a substantial meteorite <BR>>collection. Allan Lang > of R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites provided me <BR>>with this specimen, and the > information about the collection labels <BR>>(thanks Allan). Hopefully that > answers your question. BTW, the other <BR>>label is from the Barbara Curatin > Collection (not sure about the <BR>>spelling of her > name).<BR>><BR>>Okay, I hope I haven't put the rest of you to sleep, but > hopefully <BR>>Dave and Rob are > happy.<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>><BR>>Geoff N.<BR>><BR>>Show your > support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - <A > href="http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648">http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648</A><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>Meteorite-list > mailing list<BR>><A > href="mailto:Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</A><BR>><A > href="http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A></BODY></HTML> ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. 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