[meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]
From: Rob Lenssen <rlenssen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:47:05 2004 Message-ID: <005001c16569$1e9d95e0$e4b979c3_at_default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C16571.75BE4C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geoff wrote: "The yellow and black collection number appears to match the one on your = specimen, and is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a well-known = mineral collector, who also had a substantial meteorite collection." BINGO!!! I was told that an American mineral dealer named Herb Obodda, bought the = specimen I own now, in Moscow many years ago. What I didn't know is that = he had his own labels. Thanks Geoff! Rob Lenssen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: geoking_at_notkin.net <geoking@notkin.net> Aan: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com = <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> Datum: zondag 4 november 2001 5:21 Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long] >Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List: > >I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave=20 >Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on=20 >some "old collection" Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me,=20 >so I've done a bit more research over the past few days. > >Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and=20 >slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a=20 >white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers.=20 >Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of=20 >Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and=20 >also had a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see=20 >below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens don't match=20 >Krinov's numbers, so there was some doubt. > >First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you=20 >supplied here: >http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here:=20 >http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg > >I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in=20 >Rob's photo "0067," and mine "0112," were evidently not collected=20 >during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating=20 >of rust. You would expect the really low numbers to have been from=20 >the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly pristine=20 >condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered out of order=20 >at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or maybe they=20 >were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : ) > >Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof=20 >that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the=20 >good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska=20 >and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I=20 >ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is=20 >(obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never=20 >been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the=20 >task. The title reads (phonetically) "Zhelezny Dozhd," and the cover=20 >is a two-color reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 of=20 >the book -- published in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin=20 >specimen which appears to carry the same type of label. I know it's a=20 >terribly bad quality image, but you should have seen it before I=20 >cleaned it up in Photoshop : ) > >Have a look: http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm > >Compare the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin "0112,"=20 >immediately below on the same page. > >Steve, if you have time, it would be most interesting to see a photo=20 >of one of your Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the=20 >Russian Academy. > >Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to identify the label on=20 >his collection piece here: > >http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg > > >Rob, please compare your photo to the bottom picture on my page: > >http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm > > >My photo is of a piece of Chico Hills, New Mexico (H4). The yellow=20 >and black collection number appears to match the one on your=20 >specimen, and is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a=20 >well-known mineral collector, who also had a substantial meteorite=20 >collection. Allan Lang of R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites provided me=20 >with this specimen, and the information about the collection labels=20 >(thanks Allan). Hopefully that answers your question. BTW, the other=20 >label is from the Barbara Curatin Collection (not sure about the=20 >spelling of her name). > >Okay, I hope I haven't put the rest of you to sleep, but hopefully=20 >Dave and Rob are happy. > >Regards, > >Geoff N. > >Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - = http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202= -7156648 >_______________________________________________ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C16571.75BE4C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Geoff wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"The yellow and black collection number appears = to match=20 the one on your specimen, and is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb = was a=20 well-known mineral collector, who also had a substantial meteorite=20 collection."</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>BINGO!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>I was told that an American mineral dealer = named Herb=20 Obodda, bought the specimen I own now, in Moscow many years ago. What I = didn't=20 know is that he had his own labels.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>Thanks Geoff!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rob Lenssen</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-----Oorspronkelijk = bericht-----<BR>Van: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:geoking_at_notkin.net">geoking@notkin.net</A> <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:geoking_at_notkin.net">geoking@notkin.net</A>><BR>Aan: <A = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>><BR>Datum:=20 zondag 4 november 2001 5:21<BR>Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of=20 Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>Dear Dave, Rob, = Steve,=20 and List:<BR>><BR>>I'd like to return to the thread from a few = days back,=20 when Dave <BR>>Harris, Rob Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were = discussing=20 labels on <BR>>some "old collection" Sikhote-Alins. = Collection=20 numbers interest me, <BR>>so I've done a bit more research over the = past few=20 days.<BR>><BR>>Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired = nice,=20 uncleaned and <BR>>slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks = Rob). They=20 carry a <BR>>white gauze label, with four-digit typewritten = collection=20 numbers. <BR>>Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian = National=20 Academy of <BR>>Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info = and=20 photos, and <BR>>also had a labelling question (I think I have your = answer,=20 Rob, see <BR>>below). However, the actual numbers on our specimens = don't=20 match <BR>>Krinov's numbers, so there was some = doubt.<BR>><BR>>First=20 off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you = <BR>>supplied=20 here:<BR>><A=20 href=3D"http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg">http://leden.tref.nl/~rle= nssen/SA1.jpg</A> =20 and here: <BR>><A=20 href=3D"http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg">http://leden.tref.nl/~rle= nssen/SA2.jpg</A><BR>><BR>>I=20 find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in=20 <BR>>Rob's photo "0067," and mine "0112," were = evidently=20 not collected <BR>>during the first expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due = to the=20 light coating <BR>>of rust. You would expect the really low numbers = to have=20 been from <BR>>the earliest expedition (and therefore to be in nearly = pristine <BR>>condition), but I suppose they could have been numbered = out of=20 order <BR>>at a later date -- back in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Or = maybe they=20 <BR>>were just left outside in an old crate somewhere :=20 )<BR>><BR>>Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've = found=20 proof <BR>>that these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, = I had=20 the <BR>>good fortune to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about = Tunguska <BR>>and Sikhote-Alin. This book used to belong to Dr. = Elbert King,=20 and I <BR>>ended up with it thanks to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book = is=20 <BR>>(obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately = never=20 <BR>>been translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to = the=20 <BR>>task. The title reads (phonetically) "Zhelezny Dozhd," = and the=20 cover <BR>>is a two-color reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. = On pg. 54=20 of <BR>>the book -- published in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a = Sikhote-Alin=20 <BR>>specimen which appears to carry the same type of label. I know = it's a=20 <BR>>terribly bad quality image, but you should have seen it before I = <BR>>cleaned it up in Photoshop : )<BR>><BR>>Have a=20 look: <A=20 href=3D"http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm">http://www.notkin.n= et/collection-numbers.htm</A><BR>><BR>>Compare=20 the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin "0112,"=20 <BR>>immediately below on the same page.<BR>><BR>>Steve, if you = have=20 time, it would be most interesting to see a photo <BR>>of one of your = Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the <BR>>Russian=20 Academy.<BR>><BR>>Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to = identify=20 the label on <BR>>his collection piece here:<BR>><BR>><A=20 href=3D"http://leden.tref.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg">http://leden.t= ref.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>Rob,=20 please compare your photo to the bottom picture on my = page:<BR>><BR>><A=20 href=3D"http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm">http://www.notkin.n= et/collection-numbers.htm</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>My=20 photo is of a piece of Chico Hills, New Mexico (H4). The yellow = <BR>>and=20 black collection number appears to match the one on your = <BR>>specimen, and=20 is from the Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a <BR>>well-known = mineral=20 collector, who also had a substantial meteorite <BR>>collection. = Allan Lang=20 of R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites provided me <BR>>with this specimen, = and the=20 information about the collection labels <BR>>(thanks Allan). = Hopefully that=20 answers your question. BTW, the other <BR>>label is from the Barbara = Curatin=20 Collection (not sure about the <BR>>spelling of her=20 name).<BR>><BR>>Okay, I hope I haven't put the rest of you to = sleep, but=20 hopefully <BR>>Dave and Rob are=20 happy.<BR>><BR>>Regards,<BR>><BR>>Geoff = N.<BR>><BR>>Show your=20 support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - <A=20 href=3D"http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058= -5084202-7156648">http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQ= H7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648</A><BR>>___________________________________= ____________<BR>>Meteorite-list=20 mailing list<BR>><A=20 href=3D"mailto:Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">Meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A><BR>><A=20 href=3D"http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://w= ww.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C16571.75BE4C40-- Received on Sun 04 Nov 2001 02:44:12 PM PST |
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