[meteorite-list] The Meteoritical Society is neglecting all its duties!

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From: Mike Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:46:23 2004
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Give me a break! You are now pissing and moaning about the "loss of
strewnfield data"! From what I see there are not many French people who
give accurate strewnfield data. You simply are whining because the
little French secret of buying in Morocco instead of actually hunting
got out, and now the Americans are cutting out the French dealers. Hell,
I got tired of paying the super inflated prices of the Europeans so I
went myself, turned out to be a good idea!
As for the French making false data, I don't think that it is one person
as you are hinting at!
The scientists are getting alot of material to look at, to learn from,
the strewnfied data doesn't tell crap about the actual meteorites. Why
do you feel that the strewnfield data is more important than the
meteorite?
Canada felt the same way about Tagish Lake, they did one hell of a job
"mapping the strewnfield of one of the most scientifically interesting
meteorites to have ever fallen" and they did such a good job making
their little map, that 99.9 % of the rare meteorite is now fish food and
lost forever. Unlike Allende where every scientists in the world got
large pieces to do all sorts of valuable scientific work on, Tagish Lake
is doled out in 20 MILLIGRAM pieces! Almost laughable, what can you do
with that?

The loss of the information in the Sahara is sad, as I have said many
times, but I didn't create this problem, the FRENCH did. You were there
buying years ago, that started the feeding frenzy of North African
hunters who badly need the money that the stones bring.
Do you propose that UCLA or Paris not classify them, that they should
instead be relegated to the trash heap, whilst your
meteorites should of course be done, even though your own hunting
methods are in doubt to the rest of us. I doubt anyone who says that the
NEVER buy but go to Morocco.

Sounds like nothing more than sour grapes to me.

Michael Farmer

SaharaTeam_at_aol.com wrote:

>
> - The CNES (National French Spatial Studies Center), associated on
> Mars rock
> sample return program, gives $55,000 of public funds to a meteorite
> merchant,
> the same one who had created the false Tagounite strewnfield with no
> respect
> for meteoritic science, helping him to continue the plundering of
> Saharan
> meteorites with unknown location.
>
> - UCLA by fair of losing some interesting specimens helps American
> dealers
> to classify their Moroccan shopping and gives them opportunity of
> developing
> the erasing of 50,000 years of meteorite falls and data. Which one of
> the
> French or US laboratory will win the NWA race and will erase most
> strewnfield
> data ?
>
> - Businessmen sell quarter tons of ordinary chondrite with no respect
> for
> meteoritic science, too busy for spending time cutting and gathering
> information about each fragment of our early solar system history.
>
> - Meteoritical Society members give free unclassified Saharan
> meteorites
> just as a gift for publicity purpose. It seems that people are
> confusing
> solar system rocks with gadgets or unpleasant rocks which need to be
> cleaned
> out of the Sahara desert.
>
>
> Why continuing prospecting, with respect of meteoritic knowledge and a
>
> serious fieldwork today, rather than falling in violent hurry of
> collecting?
>
> 1 - to find more samples from a fall. More than 90 percent of the
> meteorites
> have an atmospheric fragmentation and show a distribution ellipse,
> paired
> finds will be found each time a meticulous fieldwork will be done,
> giving
> more samples available for science research and collectors, at lower
> price
> than North West Africa achondrites.
>
> 2 - to learn about the strewnfield features and understand the
> different
> stages of their formation. It will help us to discover new potential
> areas,
> remember that less than 5 percent of the Sahara are good prospecting
> places
> where meteorites can be preserved up to 50,000 years. If you want to
> know how
> to recognize a good strewnfield, you must keep note of maximum details
> and
> share your knowledge. If not, tomorrow you will drive randomly in the
> central
> part of the Sahara (no nomads here) searching several days for a
> single
> meteorite because you don't know where to concentrate your searches.
>
> 3 - to study pairings and location data. Those information will be
> used for
> many statistics, among which are earth meteorite fall rate and family
> populations. Dar al Gani (Libya), Gold Basin (USA), Oman are today the
> only
> remaining places where complete data are available...
> ... For how long ?
>
>
> Richard & Roland Pelisson
> http://www.saharamet.com/

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Give me a break! You are now pissing and moaning about the "loss of strewnfield
data"! From what I see there are not many French people who give accurate
strewnfield data. You simply are whining because the little French secret
of buying in Morocco instead of actually hunting got out, and now the Americans
are cutting out the French dealers. Hell, I got tired of paying the super
inflated prices of the Europeans so I went myself, turned out to be a good
idea!
 As for the French making false data, I don't think that it is one person
as you are hinting at!
 The scientists are getting alot of material to look at, to learn from,
the strewnfied data doesn't tell crap about the actual meteorites. Why
do you feel that the strewnfield data is more important than the meteorite?
 Canada felt the same way about Tagish Lake, they did one hell of a
job "mapping the strewnfield of one of the most scientifically interesting
meteorites to have ever fallen" and they did such a good job making their
little map, that 99.9 % of the rare meteorite is now fish food and lost
forever. Unlike Allende where every scientists in the world got large pieces
to do all sorts of valuable scientific work on, Tagish Lake is doled out
in 20 MILLIGRAM pieces! Almost laughable, what can  you do with that?
The loss of the information in the Sahara is sad, as I have said many
times, but I didn't create this problem, the FRENCH did. You were there
buying years ago, that started the feeding frenzy of North African hunters
who badly need the money that the stones bring.
 Do you propose that UCLA or Paris not classify them, that they should
instead be relegated to the trash heap, whilst your
 meteorites should of course be done, even though your own hunting methods
are in doubt to the rest of us. I doubt anyone who says that the NEVER
buy but go to Morocco.
 
Sounds like nothing more than sour grapes to me.
Michael Farmer
SaharaTeam_at_aol.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> 
 - The CNES (National French
Spatial Studies Center), associated on Mars rock
 sample return program, gives
$55,000 of public funds to a meteorite merchant,
 the same one who had created
the false Tagounite strewnfield with no respect
 for meteoritic science,
helping him to continue the plundering of Saharan
 meteorites with unknown
location.
- UCLA by fair of losing
some interesting specimens helps American dealers
 to classify their Moroccan
shopping and gives them opportunity of developing
 the erasing of 50,000 years
of meteorite falls and data. Which one of the
 French or US laboratory
will win the NWA race and will erase most strewnfield
 data ?
- Businessmen sell quarter
tons of ordinary chondrite with no respect for
 meteoritic science, too
busy for spending time cutting and gathering
 information about each fragment
of our early solar system history.
- Meteoritical Society members
give free unclassified Saharan meteorites
 just as a gift for publicity
purpose. It seems that people are confusing
 solar system rocks with
gadgets or unpleasant rocks which need to be cleaned
 out of the Sahara desert.
  
Why continuing prospecting,
with respect of meteoritic knowledge and a
 serious fieldwork today,
rather than falling in violent hurry of collecting?
1 - to find more samples
from a fall. More than 90 percent of the meteorites
 have an atmospheric fragmentation
and show a distribution ellipse, paired
 finds will be found each
time a meticulous fieldwork will be done, giving
 more samples available for
science research and collectors, at lower price
 than North West Africa achondrites.
2 - to learn about the strewnfield
features and understand the different
 stages of their formation.
It will help us to discover new potential areas,
 remember that less than
5 percent of the Sahara are good prospecting places
 where meteorites can be
preserved up to 50,000 years. If you want to know how
 to recognize a good strewnfield,
you must keep note of maximum details and
 share your knowledge. If
not, tomorrow you will drive randomly in the central
 part of the Sahara (no nomads
here) searching several days for a single
 meteorite because you don't
know where to concentrate your searches.
3 - to study pairings and
location data. Those information will be used for
 many statistics, among which
are earth meteorite fall rate and family
 populations. Dar al Gani
(Libya), Gold Basin (USA), Oman are today the only
 remaining places where complete
data are available...
 ... For how long ?
  
Richard & Roland Pelisson
 <A HREF="http://www.saharamet.com/">http://www.saharamet.com/</A></blockquote>
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