[meteorite-list] Meteorite Association

From: Mark Miconi <mam602_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:44:41 2004
Message-ID: <002801c0b294$f7f36000$04f20541_at_fwlr1.az.home.com>

>Suppose the association is not one of dealers, but
>meteorite enthusiastes.

Enthusiasts...Got a nice ring to it......Sounds less like a lynch mob and
more like people that really enjoy their interest, at whatever "level" that
might be. I belonged to a Model Rocket Group some years back. We had all
kinds of "individuals", Beginners to Experts to Purists. None of us ever
really agreed about much, except that we loved to fly rockets. Some members
were builders that sold kits, some were even "Hobby Shop Owners", go figure.
They made money on us, sometimes over charged, and sometimes would outfit a
kid with all they needed to get a start.

Point in am trying to make is...Keeping in mind the rarity of Meteorites,
and the Flood of interest, they only "Difference between that group and the
one this group is discussing is that WE had to face each other EVERY time we
got together. I feel one of the "weak" points of the internet is the lack of
face to face.
That is this groups biggest hurdle, once over that the rest should be easy.
In the Rocket group everyone had to state their interests, level of skill,
whether they were dealers, shop owners, there to make money, there to fly
rockets.

Be the enthusiasts' I as a new person found really cool when I joined the
list 3-4 months ago. I knew nothing, when I asked a question someone,
sometimes lots of someones answered it. I was wowed by the JPL'rsand the
real scientists, envious of the travelers, and the buyers, happy to see that
some where dealers in hopes of buying some of my own Meteorites. My 7 year
old just bought his first...nothing special...an 18gr Sikhote, he may rust
it to nothing as he will not put it down. Thats what this group should be
about. Helping, Learning, Buying, Selling, Discovery. Someone has to sell
these things, some are only in it for the money, will all of them say it up
front? Come on it may be CyberSpace but we are all Eartlings after all.
I do not have all the answers, heaven knows if I did I would be getting a
pretty penny for them....LOL(humor). But I would like to think that with all
the "Human" Power and Brain Power this group of enthusiasts has it could
come up with a simple charter, in simple terms, and go from there. Tell
everyone who joins that the intent is to have fun, enjoy at their level;
look out for others and most of all..."If it harms no other, Do as one
shall". Bad apples have one thing going for them...most times they are easy
to spot in a basket.

I realize this has probably all been said before, so I will put away my soap
box and go to bed. Something I just thought of....Isn't belonging to this
Elist, belonging to an association?

Thanks for listening....Mark Miconi


----- Original Message -----
From: ari machiz <a_machiz_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Association


> Hi list.
>
> Someone mentioned that some of the high-rollers or
> known scientists would be vital to an organization
> like the one on the table. Those people in my
> estimation, are more likely to join a group that is
> proven to have cohesive properties. They don't have
> time to form the organization and go through all this
> mess, or if they do, they will create an organization
> for high-rollers and scientists. I am neither. I have
> a bigger mouth than brain or wallet.
>
> I hear pros and cons to the Meteorite Association. I
> believe that direction is missing from these
> responses, valid as they might be. Pros and cons are
> not two seperate roads. They are different directions
> on one 2 way road.
> I'll explain.
>
> I felt this association needed a push, so I started
> collecting names. This in no way singles out dealers,
> large or small. I was thinking that everyone should be
> welcome. The request for names was just to give the
> association a jump start. Some direction.
>
> Quickly we come to the next step. Pros and cons.
> Fantastic. We need both, but with direction. For me to
> focus on the pros, I think the first order of business
> should be to address the cons. Know thy enemy, or in
> other words, lets deal with peoples concerns so they
> can participate if they wish with a good feeling. This
> would mean noting peoples concerns and determining how
> to avoid them.
>
> In the direction of the good that could come of it, I
> would like to know what ideas people have. What could
> the list members do as an association that is more
> difficult to do as simply list members?
>
> Suppose the association is not one of dealers, but
> meteorite enthusiastes. That takes care of one
> concern, I think. On a positive note, could we be more
> affective with the Fernlea issue as an association, or
> is the list a sufficient forrum to write the guy who
> is violating someones copyright? I think in a
> situation like this, someone could more quickly write
> on behalf of the whole. An association might be good
> in this instance.
>
> A business isn't built on no's. It is built on the
> yes's. Likewise, IF this association is to come to
> fruition, I believe we need to build it on the pros,
> addressing the cons as concerns of our friends, and
> maybe peak at a good business model. COMETS for
> instance. True, that is a local organization, but it
> is just an example.
>
> I am open to the idea that this will flop, but you
> would have to show me why it won't work. I have
> several names of people who are interested. Does
> anyone care why so many non-dealers are interested?
> They are looking for something! Maybe someone out
> there could point them in the right direction, but who
> are they? Maybe they have different needs. Maybe we
> could form an association to collect their concerns
> and to have a forum to address their concerns and tell
> them where to fill their needs in lieu of a...
> Meteor...ite...Assoc...iation. Uh-huhmmm.
>
> Forget my point? Lose your direction? How about
> listing concerns to consider staying away from to make
> this work.
>
> How about listing reasons that an association would be
> beneficial. Come up with a need and something will
> happen, whether it be the formation of an association,
> or something else just as positive.
>
> My rusty Nantans worth.
>
> Taking cover,
> Ari
>
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