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From: La Mémoire de la Terre <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:00 2004
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Hey Mike Farmer, what's wrong with you?

You should stop making fictions, take and aspirin and go sleeping.

Before saying such bad things on the others you should prove them If you =
had customs problems, it seems that you're not clear. Passing through =
customs is not going to the supermarket: in all countries you have =
paperwork to do, in Morocco you have to go in Rabat at the Mine's =
Ministry with your broker and work all the authorisation in accord with =
the laws. We though you would know that.=20

Now things are changing, a lot of countries are asking their material =
back in the case that the paperwork hasn't been done properly. Did you =
have all the official export papers for all your meteorites ? Did you =
provide them for your customers ? How they will react when Morocco will =
ask for the restitution of the illegally exported material? As your =
last super crazy mega funny oriented achondrite you just get ????

We want to tell to all the collectors and institutions that all these =
countries will ask for their material back as they did for artefacts or =
fossils in the past.=20

We don't mind about you Farmer, as we agree together in Gifhorn, there's =
enough place anywhere for anyone. We have never said that Morocco is our =
territory but we are working there for eight years now and if we are =
successful, it's only because people trust us and we have been clear and =
fair enough to have any enemies there.

What is your problem ? you're jealous and you can't stand that French =
teams find so much good material !=20

Saying bad things on the others just before the Tucson show is the only =
thing that you found as commercial idea !!

It's too simple to discredit all these teams that did spend lot of time =
and energy to get these rare rocks out of the desert destruction, you =
just arrive and try to corrupt the people that are working for years, =
fidelity is not for sell Farmer. Try to learn the local language, stop =
saying bad things around you and you will get the right things back.

Thank you very much caus' you just lose you small credibility front of =
everybody...=20

By the way, we will set up at the Inn Suites room# 182, we will have new =
already analysed: Lunar Mare Basalt, Diogenite, Shergottite LA like, =
Impact melt Breccia, CR2, CV3.5, CK5, Acapulcoite.. And several =
surprises=20

You're welcome anytime to share some time together and with these =
stellar jewels: Meteorites=20

Sincerely,

Bruno & Carine

 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Mike Farmer=20
 To: Michael Cottingham=20
 Cc: wanadoo ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
 Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:10 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan lies form the French people.

 This makes me SICK! Franco, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I am just back from my =
4th trip to Morocco. Let me tell everyone on this list the truth. THESE =
FRENCH ARE ALL buying meteorites in Morocco. I have been there enough to =
see what is happening. THEY ARE ALL lying to us. They have been for =
years. How do you think that this large market has formed over there. =
Bruno Fectay is now angry that I just bought an incredible oriented =
bullet shaped one kilo achondrite. He has been trying to get us in =
trouble in Morocco since almost two weeks ago when he found out we were =
there. They are pissed off at the perceived intrusion into "their" =
territory. Franco wont leave well enough alone. We are not the ones =
lying through our teeth. I have yet to find a meteorite in Morocco. =
Someday maybe, but not yet, nor have I said I have found any. All of the =
others though seem to only find their meteorites. WHAT CRAP!!!!!=20
 I have been told by EVERYONE there that ALL of the FRENCH dealers BUY =
meteorites there, Bruno and Carine Fectay, Marc, Luc, and Jim Labenne, =
Franco, and all others have bought and sold meteorites from the sellers =
there, most tell the truth about where they got them, some do not.=20
 Franco, stop with this " holier than though %##$ ^E$%$# and back =
off" It is getting old. The French started the whole Morocco fiasco, =
the Americans and Canadians are simply branching out there. So go whine =
to your countrymen about the mess that they started.=20
 I warn any people that want to go to Morocco that certain French =
people are now trying to cause problems with customs for any Americans =
that go for meteorites to Morocco.=20
 This is starting to piss me off just a tad Bruno, watch out or the =
problems can be started here in Tucson too. This is my turf, if you =
want to get me in trouble in Africa, I assure you that I can play the =
same game here.=20
 PS, I had the priveledge of watching the full Lunar eclipse from the =
Sahara Desert, I didnt even know that it was coming, but it sure was awe =
inspiring. Holding meteorites and looking up as the moon grew red and =
dark, the stars brightened, the wind blew....... Wonderful.=20

 Michael Farmer=20
 Meteorite HUNTER, BUYER, SELLER, and everything in between.=20
 Have a nice day!=20

 Michael Cottingham wrote:=20

 =20
 ----- Original Message -----=20
 From: Michael Cottingham
 To: wanadoo ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, =
January 10, 2001 6:10 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE =
PART FOUR Last One
 Franco & All, Franco. I was hunting meteorites in Mexico, =
Chile,Boliva, Arizona, New Mexico, Kansas, Texas, andNebraska long =
before you ever saw your firstmeteorite. What the hell is your problem! =
If you want to attack me in public about sellingNWA meteorites you =
better know your facts.I have been hunting meteorites, years before =
youever thought of doing such. NWA meteorites are what they are and I =
don'tsell them pretending to be anything else.I think everyone on this =
side of the oceanknows that we buy them over there! Get a life.Shut =
your mouth. Know your facts. Who the hell are you? I hunt meteorites!I =
collect meteorites! I buy meteorites! I sellmeteorites! Your wasting my =
time. Next time yourefer to me in an email you better know whatthe hell =
you are talking about. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham =20
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: wanadoo
 To: Michael Cottingham ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One
 Michael I read your post, Nice talk. You want to have fun selling =
unclassified meteorites. NO WAY. On this list, everybody knows that I =
am against NWA. And that I will react each time some retailers try to =
change a nice passion into a basic business. Last year I had hard talks =
with XOXOXO, Yuk.( BTW happy comeback MC. I really think that we all =
missed you. You were drastic in business, funny in posts and firm on =
your positions) But at last I regret that he is not as active as before =
on the list. he represented the hard sale, to my eyes. This year, its =
is really worse. I do not like the way that some present the game and =
mislead people, particularly newbees. Sorry man, buying meteorites in =
Morocco is not hunting. You are a retailer. Sorry again for all of you =
guys who hunt themselves for mets and stay silent. This Micheal is not a =
hunter. All hunters will agree.Hunting is a clean job: hunters are alone =
in front of large bare lands, not dealing 55 gallons drums of nowhere =
stones in market place backshops. There are still amateurs of =
meteorites. Amateurs is a french word which comes from aimer ( to love). =
an amateur is someone who loves what he does. How can you love =
meteorites when you try to have customers gambling on a possible lunar =
in you stock. Meteorites do not deserve your lotery. Hunting on the =
field is a lotery, because no one knows what will be the next find. But =
nobody pyas for it except the hunter. Buying second hand 55 gallons =
drums when all the " souk" buyers have taken their first choice is not =
offering any chance to any collectors. Even for a hundred bucks. It is =
misleding them. And I wait for your true agruties to explain where is =
the chance to receive some valuable meteorite in a stock visited by all =
the retailers that live on our planet. Offer true first hand material. =
And the only way to be sure of meteorite origin is to pick them up =
yourself from the ground.But as I said last year, truth is hard to tell, =
but much easier than any pseudo omission. Have them analysed, find =
really where they come from, cross the border, go to Algeria, to =
Mauritania, bring back true photos, GPS positions and stop the NWA game. =
So long, Shame on NWAs and on all involved in them. True best wishes to =
authentic hunters. They will recognize themsleves. FRANCO =
----Message d'origine-----=20
 De : Michael Cottingham <mikewren_at_gilanet.com>=20
 =C0 : meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com =
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>=20
 Date : mercredi 10 janvier 2001 23:17=20
 Objet : [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One=20
 =20
 MICHAEL COTTINGHAM METEORITESPO BOX 727SILVER CITY, NEW =
MEXICO88062 505-535-2307 Cellular: 505-590-1542 =20

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going to=20
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supermarket: in all=20
countries you have paperwork to do, in Morocco you have to go in Rabat =
at the=20
Mine’s Ministry with your broker and work all the authorisation in =
accord with=20
the laws. We though you would know that. <o:p></o:p>
Now things=20
are changing, a lot of countries are asking their material back in the =
case that=20
the paperwork hasn’t been done properly. Did you have all the =
official export=20
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?=20
How they =
will react=20
when Morocco will ask for the restitution of the illegally exported =
material?=20
 As your =
last super=20
crazy mega funny oriented achondrite you just get ????
We want to=20
tell to all the collectors and institutions that all these countries =
will ask=20
for their material back as they did for artefacts or fossils in the =
past.=20

We don’t=20
mind about you Farmer, as we agree together in Gifhorn, there’s =
enough place=20
anywhere for anyone. We have never said that Morocco is our territory =
but we are=20
working there for eight years now and if we are successful, it’s =
only because=20
people trust us and we have been clear and fair enough to have any =
enemies=20
there.
What is=20
your problem ? you’re jealous and you can’t stand that =
French teams find so much=20
good material !=20

Saying bad=20
things on the others just before the Tucson show is the only thing that =
you=20
found as commercial idea !!<o:p></o:p>
It’s too=20
simple to discredit all these teams that did spend lot of time and =
energy to get=20
these rare rocks out of the desert destruction, you just arrive =
and try to=20
corrupt the people that are working for years, fidelity is not for=20
sell =
Farmer… Try to=20
learn the local language, stop saying bad things around you and you will =
get the=20
right things back…<o:p></o:p>
Thank you=20
very much caus’ you just lose you small credibility front of =
everybody…..=20

By the way,=20
we will set up at the Inn Suites room# 182, we will have new already =
analysed:=20
Lunar Mare Basalt, Diogenite, Shergottite LA like, Impact melt =
Breccia, CR2,=20
CV3.5, CK5, Acapulcoite…. And several surprises 
You’re=20
welcome anytime to share some time together and with these stellar =
jewels:=20
Meteorites <o:p></o:p>
Sincerely,
Bruno &=20
Carine</DIV>
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
 <DIV=20
 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black">From:=20
 <A href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net" =
title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net>Mike=20
 Farmer</A> </DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com"=20
 title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com>Michael Cottingham</A> </DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Cc: <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:mich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr" =
title=3Dmich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr>wanadoo</A>=20
 ; <A href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
 =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A>=20
 </DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 =
8:10=20
 PM</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [meteorite-list] =
Moroccan lies=20
 form the French people.</DIV>
 <DIV> </DIV>This makes me SICK! Franco, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I am =
just back=20
 from my 4th trip to Morocco. Let me tell everyone on this list the =
truth.=20
 THESE FRENCH ARE ALL buying meteorites in Morocco. I have been there =
enough to=20
 see what is happening. THEY ARE ALL lying to us. They have been for =
years. How=20
 do you think that this large market has formed over there. Bruno =
Fectay is now=20
 angry that I just bought an incredible oriented bullet shaped one kilo =

 achondrite. He has been trying to get us in trouble in Morocco since =
almost=20
 two weeks ago when he found out we were there.  They are pissed =
off at=20
 the perceived intrusion into "their" territory. Franco wont leave well =
enough=20
 alone. We are not the ones lying through our teeth. I have yet to find =
a=20
 meteorite in Morocco. Someday maybe, but not yet, nor have I said I =
have found=20
 any. All of the others though seem to only find their meteorites. WHAT =

 CRAP!!!!! I have been told by EVERYONE there that ALL  of the =
FRENCH=20
 dealers BUY meteorites there, Bruno and Carine Fectay, Marc, Luc, and =
Jim=20
 Labenne, Franco, and all others have bought and sold meteorites from =
the=20
 sellers there, most tell the truth about where they got them, some do =
not.=20
     Franco,  stop with this " holier than =
though %##$=20
 ^E$%$# and back off" It is getting old.  The French started the =
whole=20
 Morocco fiasco, the Americans and Canadians are simply branching out =
there. So=20
 go whine to your countrymen about the mess that they started. I =
warn any=20
 people that want to go to Morocco that certain French people are now =
trying to=20
 cause problems with customs for any Americans that go for meteorites =
to=20
 Morocco. This is starting to piss me off just a tad Bruno, watch =
out or=20
 the problems can be started here in Tucson too. This is my turf,  =
if you=20
 want to get me in trouble in Africa, I assure you that I can play the =
same=20
 game here.=20
 PS, I had the priveledge of watching the full Lunar eclipse from =
the Sahara=20
 Desert, I didnt even know that it was coming, but it sure was awe =
inspiring.=20
 Holding meteorites and looking up as the moon grew red and dark, the =
stars=20
 brightened, the wind blew....... Wonderful.=20
 Michael Farmer Meteorite HUNTER, BUYER, SELLER, and everything =
in=20
 between. Have a nice day!=20
 Michael Cottingham wrote:=20
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  =20
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black">From: =
<A=20
 href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com" =
title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com>Michael=20
 Cottingham</A></DIV>To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:mich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr"=20
 title=3Dmich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr>wanadoo</A> ; <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
 =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A>Sent:=20
 Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:10 PMSubject: Re: =
[meteorite-list]=20
 METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One</DIV> <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Franco & All, <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Franco.  I was hunting meteorites in Mexico,=20
 Chile,Boliva, =
Arizona, New=20
 Mexico, Kansas, Texas,  and<FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Nebraska long before you ever saw your =
first<FONT=20
 face=3DArial>meteorite.  What the hell is your=20
 problem! If =
you want to=20
 attack me in public about selling<FONT=20
 size=3D-1>NWA meteorites you better know your =
facts.<FONT=20
 face=3DArial>I have been hunting meteorites, years =
before=20
 youever thought of =
doing=20
 such. NWA =
meteorites are=20
 what they are and I don'tsell=20
 them pretending to be anything else.<FONT=20
 size=3D-1>I think everyone on this side of the =
ocean<FONT=20
 face=3DArial>knows that we buy them over =
there!  Get a=20
 life.Shut your =
mouth. Know your=20
 facts. Who the =
hell are=20
 you?  I hunt meteorites!I=20
 collect meteorites! I buy meteorites!  I =
sell<FONT=20
 face=3DArial>meteorites! <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>Your wasting my time.  Next time=20
 yourefer to me in =
an email you=20
 better know whatthe =
hell you=20
 are talking about. Best=20
 Wishes Michael =

 Cottingham =20
 <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
 <DIV=20
 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black">From:=20
 <A href=3D"mailto:mich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr"=20
 title=3Dmich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr>wanadoo</A></DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A=20
 href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com" =
title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com>Michael=20
 Cottingham</A> ; <A =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
 =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A></DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, January 08, =
2001 2:28=20
 AM</DIV>
 <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: =
[meteorite-list]=20
 METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One</DIV> <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Michael I read your post, =
Nice talk. You=20
 want to have fun selling unclassified =
meteorites. <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>NO WAY.  On this list, everybody knows that I am =
against NWA.=20
 And that I will react each time some retailers try to change a =
nice=20
 passion into a basic business. Last year I had hard talks with =
XOXOXO,=20
 Yuk.( BTW happy comeback MC. I really think that we all missed =
you. You=20
 were drastic in business, funny in posts and firm on your =
positions) But=20
 at last I regret that he is not as active as before on  the =
list. he=20
 represented the hard sale, to my eyes. This year, its is really =
worse. I=20
 do not like the way that some present the game and mislead people, =

 particularly newbees.  Sorry man, =
buying=20
 meteorites in Morocco is not hunting. You are a retailer. Sorry =
again for=20
 all of you guys who hunt themselves for mets and stay silent. This =
Micheal=20
 is not a hunter. All hunters will agree.Hunting is a=20
 clean job: hunters are alone in front of large bare lands, not =
dealing 55=20
 gallons drums of nowhere stones in market place=20
 backshops. There are still amateurs of =

 meteorites. Amateurs is a french word which comes from aimer ( to =
love).=20
 an amateur is someone who loves what he does. How can you love =
meteorites=20
 when you try to have customers gambling on a possible lunar in you =
stock.=20
 Meteorites do not deserve your  lotery. Hunting on the field =
is a=20
 lotery, because no one knows what will be the next find. But =
nobody pyas=20
 for it except the hunter. Buying second hand 55 gallons drums when =
all the=20
 " souk" buyers  have taken their first choice is not offering =
any=20
 chance to any collectors. Even for a hundred bucks. It is =
misleding them.=20
 And I wait for your true agruties to explain where is the chance =
to=20
 receive some valuable meteorite in a stock visited by all the =
retailers=20
 that live on  our planet. Offer  true=20
 first hand material. And the only way to be sure of meteorite =
origin is to=20
 pick them up yourself from the ground.But as I said last year, =
truth is=20
 hard to tell, but much easier than any pseudo =
omission. <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Have them analysed, find really where they come from, =
cross the=20
 border, go to Algeria, to Mauritania, bring back true photos, GPS=20
 positions and stop the NWA game. So=20
 long, Shame on NWAs and on all =
involved in=20
 them. True best =
wishes to=20
 authentic hunters. They will recognize=20
 themsleves. <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>FRANCO     <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>----Message d'origine----- =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>De : Michael Cottingham <<A =

 =
href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">mikewren@gilanet.com</A>><=
/FONT>=20
 =C0 : <A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
 <<A=20
 =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>>=20
 Date : mercredi 10 =
janvier 2001=20
 23:17 Objet :=20
 [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last =
One=20
  =20
 <BLOCKQUOTE=20
 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT=20
 face=3DArial>MICHAEL COTTINGHAM=20
 METEORITESPO =
BOX=20
 727SILVER CITY, =
NEW=20
 MEXICO<FONT=20
 size=3D-1>88062 <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>505-535-2307 <FONT=20
 size=3D-1>Cellular: =20
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