[meteorite-list] Murphy's law

From: Don Young <dcyoung1_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:41:59 2004
Message-ID: <3A5E7F10.E16534CB_at_swbell.net>

Donald,
I'm also interested in Texas meteorites. Seems you have alot more info
than
I have.
I did find the following for two on your list (from my index and on the
net).

                Class MB Relative page# County
long lat
Squaw Creek IIAB 62 007 Tx Sommervell 32.0000 98.0000
Fuzzy Creek IVA 62 004 Tx Runndels 31.6111 99.9042

http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/index1.htm
Publications
Bulletins
#62
page 52 Fuzzy Creek
page 55 Squaw Creek

Don Young

 

Donald Blakeslee wrote:
>
> I'm still working on the Texas meteorite shrines, and I need a little help
> from someone with access to the new Catalogue of Meteorites.
>
> When I last sent a pot, I thought I had the Texas meteorite shrines all
> figured out. Since then, I have encountered Blakeslee's corollary to
> Murphy's Law, to wit: When doing research, the more you dig, the deeper
> the hole you'll find yourselrf in.
>
> The problems arise from the fact that there are two early sources for the
> locations of iron meteorites in Texas. One is the Indian trader, Anthony
> Glass, who visited the Red River meteorite in 1808. His informants told
> him about two others, located approximately 30 and 50 miles away.
>
> The other is Athanase de Mezieres (last name is littered with accent marks
> that usually mess up an email message). He visited a Wichita Indian
> village on the Brazos River in 1772 and described what sounds like an iron
> meteorite 20 leagues north of the village.
>
> As early as 1914, the latter account was identified with the Wichita County
> meteorite, and 20 leagues north of the village places one at the southern
> edge of Wichita County.
>
> Here comes the problem. My new information on the Wichita County meteorite
> says it was moved to that location early in the 19th century from the east
> end of Santa Anna mountain, a hundred miles or so to the south. This
> report is likely to be correct because the Ballinger meteorite, thought by
> Buchwald to be a transported piece of Wichita County, came from within 25
> miles of Santa Anna mountain. Thus it would seem that Wichita County is
> the transport, and Ballinger and Wichita County are paired
>
> Santa Anna mountain is about 50 miles from where I have Glass visiting the
> Red River meteorite, so it is likely that the as-yet-untransported Wichita
> County is one of the two other shrines that he mentions. The problem is,
> that Glass was there in 1808, and if the 1772 report is about Wichita
> County, it had already been transported -- by some of the very Indians that
> Glass was talking to (Comanches).
>
> So, there had to be a fourth iron meteorite known to the Indians, either in
> the vicinity of Wichita County or (if the Wichita County meteorite had
> already been transported) at about 50 miles distance from the Red River
> meteorite.
>
> Taking the latter possibility first, my 1985 Catalogue lists only the
> Holliday meteorite as in the vicinity of Wichita County. Unfortunately,
> the longitude and latitude do not agree with the place name. Since there
> are other twons closer to the reported longitude and latitude that
> Holliday, I asume that the logitude and latitude are in error. Does the
> later catalog have a correction? And does it correct the reported weight.
> My catalogue has the total weight as 10 grams (!) with a 12 gram piece in
> Fort Worth.
>
> If Holliday is not the specimen reported in 1772, which was reported to be
> thick and heavy (not 10-12 grams), then there may be another substantial
> iron meteorite in north Texas.
>
> Alternatively, the estimate of the date that the Wichita County specimen
> was transported could be in error, so I re-checked all of the iron
> meteorites in the general vicinity of the Red River site and came up with
> more confusion.
>
> meteorite distance weight circumstances
> Burkett 33 8.4 kg found 1913; no other info
> Comanche 32 19.7 kg likely site
> Carlton 62 81.4 kg plowed up
> Ballinger 65 1.25 kg no info available
> Fuzzy Creek 75 2.6 kg no info reported
> Squaw Creek 75 none given no info reported
>
> You can see what I missed the first time through. There are two candidates
> for the meteorite shrine about 30 miles from the Red River site -- Burkett
> and Comanche. None of the more distant meteorites is a good fit with the
> distance estimate of 50 miles, but there are four within 75 miles. Of
> those, the longitude and latitude given from Squaw Creek do not match even
> the county of record, much less the place name. Does anyone have more
> information/corrections for Fuzzy Creek or Squaw Creek?
>
> Many thanks for any help you can render.
>
> Don Blakeslee
> Department of Anthropology
> Wichita State University
> blakesle_at_twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu
>
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