Meteorite List Archives for [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASSAnd let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall category. Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN ? MAIN MASS LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL! Cheers, John A. Shea, MD IMCA 3295 www.bigjohnmeteorites.com On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote: > > As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I > suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some point. Sheeeesh.... Most of these terms are absurd. > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of > > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the region may be on record > > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. > > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful... > > > > Cheers, > > John A. Shea, MD > > IMCA 3295 > > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com > > > > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds: > > > > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one > > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall. > > > > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules > > for falls: > > > > A ?Confirmed fall? is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, > > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent > > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event. > > > > A ?Probable fall? is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. > > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether > > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of the event itself. > > > > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural > > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences. > > > > A ?Find, possible fall? is a meteorite that was submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but the > > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems consistent with a fall event, > > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the > > event itself. > > > > A ?Find, doubtful fall? is also a meteorite submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high > > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the event itself. > > > > A ?Find? is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was submitted concerning the fall circumstances." > > > > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > > Date: May 21, 2021 > > To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com> > > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" <museumcenterpiece at gmail.com>, > > "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN ? MAIN MASS > > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The > > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions. > > > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an ?unwitnessed fall? by anyone as no such designation exists. > > > > > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is implied and should go without saying... but is it an > > > officially recognized term? > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > > > > > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an ?unwitnessed fall? by anyone as no such designation exists. The features of this meteorite > > > > are consistent with a residency on Earth of at least decades ? if not centuries...or far more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding, > > > > highly weathered meteorite. Please remedy as we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is > > > > blurred. > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION > > > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN ? MAIN MASS > > > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB > > > > > Northeastern Province, Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/ > > > > > > > > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may arguably be classed at the top of all large iron > > > > > meteorites to be offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in a local family's garden, after it fell > > > > > on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered an unwitnessed fall, Bur-Abor boasts numerous distinguished qualities. > > > > > > > > > > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops while also displaying the rarely seen feature of > > > > > orientation. These distinctive features were caused by ablation as the meteorite coursed through Earth's atmosphere. One > > > > > can see the surface area where elongated, parallel thumbprints indicate oriented flight, which melted grooves into the > > > > > surface, mirroring each other in shape and size. 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