[meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos
From: bigjohnshea at mail.com <bigjohnshea_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:47:57 +0200
Take it private if you want to argue.
On 6/14/20 at 12:46 PM, Marcin Cima?a - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Hi Marcin,
> I did not mean my reply to sound aggressive or personal towards you. I
> have always liked you and never had a problem with you personally. I
> just don't like Facebook (or Zuckerberg) and the increasing stagnation
> of this fine mailing list is a direct result of social media sites
> like FB siphoning away all of the online oxygen. Facebook seeks to
> control information and discourse - a monolithic entity answerable to
> nobody that exploits it's userbase as a resource to enrich itself. It
> does this without regard to the collateral damage done to privacy or
> civil rights. All the while, FB is doing nothing original or
> innovative. Chatting, posting, groups, and every other functionality
> of FB are things we can do elsewhere. We don't *need* Facebook. It
> needs us.
> Nothing personaly ofcourse.
> I completly dont understand Your point of view and negative approach. I
> never saw any "control information" on FB except some "jail time" for some
> persons for their political comments or radical posts. Even I was 24h banned
> once but it was becouse of my comment under political post. So this was not
> connected to our hobby. If You stay away from bullshit like political posts
> You are safe. It was surprize for me but I completly agree with this "jail
> time". It was lesson.
> I tryed to show You how to use Facebook as very valuable, friendly platform
> but seems You are too negavite to it. Sorry to see that. Its Your right, I
> This List introduced me to the meteorite world. It brought me to the
> dance, so to speak. And after many years of playing the social media
> field, I have come back home to my high-school sweetheart, the
> me too, it was the best source of meteorite informations, sales, but it was
> many many years ago. Its like Met Bull with classification info but without
> photos of specimens. Its like telling that Radio auditions are better than
> TV shows becouse in TV speaker is watching You. I cant agree becouse its up
> on You how You use it. You dont have that controll watching TV or read
> newspapers. You eat what they serve You there.
> A lof of other collectors and dealers still congregate on FB and many
> do quite well with sales. That's fine and I wish them success in what
> works for them. I was one of the first handful of meteorite people to
> become active on FB back in 2009 and now I am not the first to pack up
> and leave that venue. I probably won't be the last. I've already
> noticed that some List members are not very active on FB any more.
> Maybe it's for the same reasons or they have their own reasons. But, I
> think it's high time to get this mailing list rolling again. FB has
> stolen the thunder for too long. The Met-List and FB don't have to be
> mutually exclusive and both can co-exist. But, if Zuck and FB had
> their way, venues like this mailing list would be trampled into
> silence or absorbed into the Borg-like collective that is Facebook and
> To each their own, but long live the List!
> I still cant understand what Zuckenberg have to You reading my posts in
> meteorite group about my new slices.
> Sorry but this sounds like irrational bullshit to me. This is soo strange
> that You have used FB before so what happend ?
> Nothing personaly Michael.
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]----[ +48 793567667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
> On 6/14/20, Marcin Cima?a - POLANDMET <marcin at polandmet.com> wrote:
> > This is not a good point. You missing it.
> > Do You watch TV ? You choose TV program You want to watch. You buy
> > newspapers You think are worth Your money.
> > Same You do on facebook. You choose Your friends and groups You want to
> > watch for informations You want to see. Valuable for You. If they are
> > crap,
> > You leave groups, You unfriend stupid peoples the same as You turn to
> > another TV channel if they start comercials in the middle of movie or You
> > go
> > to another page if there is stupid article or not interesting for You.
> > You have Your smartphone and computer? They spies You even better than
> > cameras on the streets. Then why You think Facebook spies You better than
> > Your phone ? If You feel unfonfortable, sell all electronic devices, unpug
> > Your net cable, turn off wi-fi. No, You cant.
> > My understand of Facebook (I dont use any other social media) is that it
> > is
> > like TV. I watch only this channel that Im interested. Im in meteorite
> > groups, not all of them, just some, in my actual car group, in car that I
> > want to buy group, cats group, 3D printing groups, my photo camera groups.
> > Groups that are importand to me, same as I like to watch Discovery
> > channels,
> > National Geographin or history channels in TV but I dont watch news
> > channels
> > or some other crap things in TV.
> > Got it ? You still can have 0 friends on facebook and You can be in 3
> > valuable meteorite groups read all the news about them. What this will
> > tell
> > Zuckenberg about You ? That You like rocks. Is this something bad ? No I
> > dont think soo.
> > Think about this
> > -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]----[ +48 793567667 ]-----
> > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com
> > --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
> >> Hi Marcin and List,
> >> Yes, the List has been quiet lately and part of that is because
> >> Facebook is strangling other venues. I don't see that as a good thing.
> >> This List is far more preferable (IMO) than an invasive venue that
> >> spies on your every move, filters your feed with restrictive
> >> algorithms, takes ownership of your content, and engages in behavior
> >> that is destructive to civil discourse. I deleted my Facebook account
> >> and couldn't be happier about it.
> >> Starting very soon, I will doing my part to re-invigorate this List. I
> >> will start posting regular updates with the latest Met Bulletin
> >> approvals and other content that I used to waste on Facebook.
> >> Screw Facebook and Zuckerberg.
> >> Best regards,
> >> MikeG
> >> On 6/14/20, Marcin Cimala - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>> Hello list
> >>> I see there is only discusion about Pictures of the day :) Is this list
> >>> dead
> >>> ?
> >>> Come to the Facebook peoples, it dont bite. Meteorite group, Polandmet
> >>> Meteorites group and many other very valuable groups with alot info
> >>> about
> >>> meteorites and thousand of users.
> >>> I have started in Meteorites group discusion that every new
> >>> classification
> >>> should include few photos of specimen. Not in Encyclopedia of Meteorites
> >>> but
> >>> reference photos submited with classification and provided by
> >>> specimen/main
> >>> mass holder.
> >>> When Im sending type specimen to the lab I also need to send them few
> >>> photos
> >>> of entire mass wirth scale cube and also photo of cut surface, slice.
> >>> This
> >>> will give every meteorite his "face", idea what is NWA 12123214 and if
> >>> slice
> >>> I just bough look like reference photo.
> >>> Every time there is Met Bull update there are many rare specimens but
> >>> they
> >>> stay only as number. Sometimes we can find them on ebay or search name
> >>> in
> >>> Google we can find specimens in someone website. But this really should
> >>> look
> >>> like that ? We have 2020, every morocan in the desert have now
> >>> smartphone
> >>> with high quality camera. I get their photos every hour. Photos of
> >>> incredible specimen. But they can be seen only by few of us. Why not for
> >>> everyone and forever? Most dealers who submit big ammount of specimens
> >>> in
> >>> Met Bull sell online so it is not a problem to require some
> >>> representative
> >>> photos of specimen or the biggest mass. You dont have good camera ?
> >>> Whats
> >>> the problem? You can find 10 friends with Canon, Nikon or new Iphone to
> >>> prepare requested pictures the same as You collect all requested
> >>> informations about Your specimen like date of find, TKW, place of find
> >>> etc.
> >>> I realy dont see a problem. This need only some discusion and some good
> >>> will
> >>> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]----[ +48 793567667 ]-----
> >>> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
> >>> http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com
> >>> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
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Received on Sun 14 Jun 2020 01:47:57 PM PDT