[meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034,

From: Bigjohn Shea <bigjohnshea_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 01:57:59 +0100
Message-ID: <trinity-e037be39-6534-45ab-b538-eecf8b31805f-1520989079369_at_msvc-mesg-gmxus007>

?You, a thief, admitted by yourself, to stealing by claiming a pairing number to John Higgins material. Mr. Higgins likely paid several hundreds of dollars to have it studied and the grams donated as a type specimen.?

Seriously...?
This is why he?s a ?thief?? Because he self-paired some specimens to a meteorite that Higgins had classified?

This is a joke, right?

How about every merchant who ever self-paired a specimen to NWA 869? How about every merchant who ever self-paired a specimen to Taza? How about every hunter who self-pairs a specimen to a DCA in the US deserts? How about every merchant who bought a bunch of NWA 6963 that was self-paired in Tucson this year, and just listed it for sale on ebay?

Are these people all thieves too? Someone somewhere payed for all those classifications and gave up the material for the type specimen, just like John Higgins did.

Reign in your attitudes everyone. You don?t get to call someone a thief for doing what many MANY other known merchants do every single day.

John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295





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On 3/13/18 at 7:37 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Dear Mr. Nourddine Azelmat, (Adam, John Higgins, and John MD,
>
> Nourddine,
> I have now received FOUR copies of your same message as below. A person that posts the same message four times? And it is the truth??? Your honor and truth diminished after the second post- now four.
>
> Mr. John Higgins is a very honorable meteorite dealer. He would not lie about dealings with you.
>
> You, a thief, admitted by yourself, to stealing by claiming a pairing number to John Higgins material. Mr. Higgins likely paid several hundreds of dollars to have it studied and the grams donated as a type specimen.
>
> Please do not reply on list as I cannot bear reading your message another four times.
> Good day.
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: nourddine azelmat via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034,
>
>
>
>
> Dear John/Adam/List,
>
> I am greatly saddened to be dragged into what I can only assume is
> 'politically' motivated debate.
> For my part, I have never heard of this 3KG of Black Beauty, and it is
> frankly farcical to suggest I am part of a conspiracy to keep this off
> market.
> The linking of my few grams, as evidence of a secret cache of Black Beauty
> is at best delusional.
>
> I have been dealing in meteorites for a number of years and recently on ebay
> where my feedback is 99 percent positive (only negative was someone wanted a
> certificate of authenticity that was never mentioned in the listing).
>
> My 3g (please note not KG) of BB came from hunters I have known for years
> and I trust absolutely. The material was found in November 2017 in the Sbita
> area " known strewn field of black beauty" and the balance of the parcel was
> sold to a dealer in Belgium.
>
> As with the majority of non NWA XXX meteorites I sell, a fragment of my
> material was recently sent to the LFP lab in Germany for analysis (not
> classification) and should it prove to be anything other than BB, I would
> give a full refund. Frankly, given my knowledge and trust of the hunters,
> the probability that they have defrauded me is zero.
>
> This list has seen the drama of bad US dealers, bad Moroccan dealers, family
> rifts and petty squabbles played out ad-nauseum. However, its use to damage
> people who are doing their absolute best to build a good business is in my
> opinion at least, immensely sad and nothing more than playground bullying.
>
> I have many customers who have purchased multiple from me and several have
> become genuine friends, it is that aspect of this community which I love,
> sadly there is a Janus Face to this community.
>
> John Higgins is angry with me for selling pieces of the Tindouf, Algerian
> Lunar and calling them 'paired NWA 10265' - which is his classification for
> this material. There is zero debate my material is the Algerian Lunar but I
> simply used one of the many many classification numbers associated with it.
> Hands up, I should have just called it Tindouf, Algerian Lunar, but it is
> utterly wrong to suggest this was an attempt to defraud anyone. Claiming a
> specific classification of the same material is more 'special' than all the
> generic Tindouf material it all represents, is a far greater
> misrepresentation in my opinion.
>
> I am neither part of an evil conspiracy to keep BB off the market or a bad
> player, I just am trying to make a living and build a long term client business in a field I love.
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Received on Tue 13 Mar 2018 08:57:59 PM PDT