[meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

From: Bigjohn Shea <bigjohnshea_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:47:18 +0100
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Quite the Witch hunt ?brewing? here...

I won?t pretend to have all the information about everyone?s issues with this seller, but if there?s a legit gripe between two IMCA members concerning something as sincere as fraud, then the metlist is certainly not the place to deal with it.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




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On 3/13/18 at 9:45 AM, Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list wrote:

> I would like to know how this person got to be an IMCA member, and more importantly how and why he still remains one after all these incidences of misrepresentation and fraud have occurred?
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> Sent from Gary's iPhone
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> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:08 AM, John higgins via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >
> > Last time I checked the wholesale price of Black Beauty has always stayed above $1000 per gram, any rumors of a stone being sold as Black Beauty for $100 is likely a fake, just a fantasy.
> >
> > And I have proven in the past that this seller in question is self pairing and making illegimitate claims. Read my facebook posts, all the facts of my experience with him cheating me are there, he should not be given any credit. This is a big fleece taking place here. You are a sucker for supporting and entertaining this.
> >
> > Martians especially Black Beauty likely pairings should always be verified. Labs do have the time and manpower for planetary meteorites and yes it's up to you especially as the seller to verify. If you do not verify by lab, and your intent is to sell, you are destroying the integrity of the market place and looking to make a quick buck off another's hard work. There is a unspoken code here that forbids this illegitimate practice. The new generation of collectors are educated and they disdain any seller participating in any such sales. No more excuses.
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> > John Higgins
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> > On Monday, March 12, 2018, 11:40:03 AM EDT, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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> > I have bought from the seller in question numerous times. He is very reliable, after at least a dozen transactions...
> >
> > As to whether or not people are willing to buy specimens that cost as much as Black Beauty under the advertisement of a probable pairing, it is entirely up to the buyer.
> >
> > This is a topic that has been discussed to death. Probable pairings are simply that, ?probable? based on the knowledge of the seller, and the extent to which the buyer trusts them. Labs have neither the time nor the manpower to verify every specimen of every meteorite that gets sold. As a result, the trust between buyer and seller is what is most important when buying probable pairings.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
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> >> On 3/12/18 at 10:08 AM, Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >>
> >> List, Interesting Ebay listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a lab has not certified it?
> >> Carl
> >> --
> >> Love & Life
> >>
> >> ---- Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >>> It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this
> >> one. Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for
> >> on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings. The only
> >> exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same
> >> material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as
> >> is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial
> >> breccia mixed in for extra profit. There is no crust so few collectors,
> >> and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.
> >>
> >> A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested
> >> fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco.
> >> He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they
> >> refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram.
> >> They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.
> >>
> >> Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q
> >>
> >> I refuse to play games with them. If a few dealers want to buy two
> >> thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
> >>> I was told it is mythical.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
> >>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> <mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
> >>> NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
> >>> "Black Beauty?" Has it been been cut yet? Has a laboratory
> >>> analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
> >>> $100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
> >>> interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
> >>> laboratory and is available.
> >>>
> >>> I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
> >>> anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
> >>> last month.
> >>>
> >>> Any info would be greatly appreciated,
> >>>
> >>> Adam
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