[meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:08:18 -0800
Message-ID: <4011aa7f-5632-ef5c-295c-5843818261e1_at_centurylink.net>

Larry,

I do not have a problem with you personally. I enjoy your field reports
but was dismayed to see meteorites found on public land being offered up
on a commercial basis since it could have an affect on the future of
meteorite hunting. I have been involved with BLM land discussions since
the 1990's so this is nothing new.

These laws are being enforced which I am sure people will hear about at
the Tucson show. No, I am not the snitch. Actually there are several.
If the name of just one these snitches (informants) got out, it would
shock the entire community. It only takes one person, with their hand
caught in the cookie jar, to try and save their own butt by turning on
others.

My negativity stems from all the damage that has occurred to this
avocation, being ripped off and badmouthed by dealers. I have no
problem with collectors who I tend to side with these days. Every
argument I have had has been with dealers, mainly the 3.0 crowd.


Adam


On 1/8/2018 2:45 PM, Larry Atkins wrote:
>
>
> Adam,
>
> Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me
> and my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are
> just trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo
> attention, that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't
> believe that after the last few years of watching you drag people into
> ridiculousville you've finally got me. On one hand I really want to
> ignore you but I can't.
>
> I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of
> the pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to
> science as often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started
> my poison ivy control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue
> meteorites and contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own
> dollars to open up and document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is
> now confirmed by Dr. Kring and publication is pending.) How much sweat
> and treasure do you think Osceola cost me? How about weeks and weeks on
> end for two winters in your back yard, unraveling the Bullhead City
> strewn field all on my dime? I've worked very hard over the years in my
> spare time to be a positive force in this hobby, sharing with whom ever
> and wherever I can.And yes, I'm defensive right now because I take your
> posts personally. I feel like you are trying to draw attention to me,
> specifically, right now while my once or so a year ebay ads are running,
> and I don't deserve that? You should pick someone else to target, maybe
> someone that is actually out doing bad things.
>
> ?While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be
> adhered to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite
> should throw it in the garbage right now. Universities and institutions
> that have procured these same falls and finds should throw theirs on the
> burn pile too, or turn themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking.
> So as anyone of sound mind can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are
> very much not unlike other b.s. laws of the past and present,
> practically unenforceable and wrong to begin with. A crime needs a
> victim by definition and I don't see a victim here. Furthermore, the
> stones would have to be reclassified and proven to be legitimate, then
> in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold Basin, Franconia or Indian
> Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or mix of private / public
> land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular stone found? Prove
> where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke, a complete
> waste of resources. It's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or tell
> people they can't smoke weed, forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county
> sheriff and I watch him do a rolling stop everyday at the stop sign in
> front of the house, do I lecture him? Should I call his boss? GET REAL.
> These laws you cite are wrong headed, or at the very least, if used to
> prosecute a guy like me, that would not be in the true spirit of which
> they were written. Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the
> laws, you seem to be quite an outspoken proponent on this list, unless
> of course it interferes with your pursuits.
>
> Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away
> anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of
> positive contribution are over. During the past several years your posts
> have continually deteriorated in such a negative way that I don't
> respect you anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you are the snitch
> you mention. You're not my meteorite Daddy and I didn't ask for your
> advice or your protection. Please do not comment on my posts in the
> future. Like I said to you once in the past, relax man, get outside and
> go find a meteorite. Find something? constructive to do. Based on the
> emails, texts and phone calls I've received today, many others would agree.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!
>
> What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands? If
> meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited
> under FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal
> removal of any personal property or any scientific resource or natural
> object. You will also be subject to criminal prosecution under title 18,
> section 641 for the theft of Federal property and related criminal
> statutes depending on the type of illegal activity, including false
> labeling under title 18, section 1001. I would take this very seriously.
> There are snitches in our midst as many have found out the hard way. On
> 1/7/2018 11:54 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > Thanks for
> the heads up, but really... > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com <mailto:list at meteoritecentral.com>>
> wrote: > > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
> mind that > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
> against federal > law. I do not want to see anybody get into trouble
> because, as some List > Members have found out the hard way, the BLM
> does monitor meteorite > sales, especially eBay. Meteorites may be
> casually collected, i.e., for > free and without a permit, under FLPMA
> However,in accordance with the > BLM's regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5
> collection is limited to certain > public lands, (2) only specimens up
> to ten pounds may be collected per > person per year, and (3) only
> surface collection with the use of > non-motorized and non-Mechanical
> equipment is allowed; metal detectors > are okay. However, specimens
> that are casually collected are for > personal use only, and may not be
> bartered or sold for commercial > purposes. Reference: >
> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf >
> Happy hunting, > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
> wrote: > > List, > > > I have 32 auctions running right now with some
> ending in about 24 > hours. Most started at .99 with no reserve and some
> still have no bids. > There are a few items rarely offered, like
> Osceola, the witnessed fall > from Florida. Or NWA 11107 a rare eucrite
> melt. Right now there is a 2.8 > gram end cut with only 2 bids, $2.51 at
> the moment. > > Some other > highlights would be the rarely offered
> Arizona find officially > recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
> offered Arizona meteorite, > the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
> Stanfield. I have a low TKW > Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184.
> It's a 2.71 gram full slice that > is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
> miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. > The first 2 I put up sold quick,
> there are 2 more up with very > reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
> search on the internet will > demonstrate the rarity, these things are
> practically unobtainable. > > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's
> from my big find in 2007. > A 3.2 > kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side.
> > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA 10140 Lunar > 1 of only 2 anorthositic
> troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3 slices. > > NWA 8663 A complete
> crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve! > > > There are
> others as well, take a minute and check them out if > interested. > >
> Thank you. > > > > >
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
> > > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > >
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