[meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar// Fake KREEP

From: Michael Farmer <mike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:18:43 +0800
Message-ID: <150E9874-BA34-48FD-B566-5199310FA776_at_meteoriteguy.com>

Adam I agree with you fully. But haven?t you learned after decades that eBay doesn?t give a rat?s ass about fraud? They make money on sales. All sales, even scams. They will never police the site.

Michael Farmer

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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> Yes, counterfeits and fakes are hardly anything new. Some counterfeit Chinese made medications sold in the U.S. market through national chain stores put my mother-in-law in the hospital for several weeks and could have resulted in her death. How about counterfeit batteries that blow up in your face while talking on a cell phone? How about sawdust in your baby formula or rat turds ground into your dog's food?
>
> I remember having to write checks to acquire meteorites from a handful of dealers a few decades ago. I had no concerns whatsoever about about them being fake until around 1998 when a dealer was substituting a DAG Howardite for Kapoeta. This was my first encounter with fraud in meteorites and now it is so common place that some just take it for granted. It is a pretty sad situation.
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> Just because it is common place doesn't excuse anybody from engaging in the unsavory practice.
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> Adam
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>> On 11/26/2017 5:18 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> Fake things being sold for money. Wow color me shocked. Hardly anything new. What?s next? Knock-off Rolex and Prada shoes?
>> Come on Adam. Yes it?s terrible but hardly news. Let them get scammed. Perhaps they should buy from real dealers.
>> Michael Farmer
>>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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>>> This same seller fleeced $400.00 out of some poor collector last week:
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>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-from-KREEP-Basalt-to-Lunar-Granite-0-4g-Moon-Breccia-Granite/222713435793?hash=item33dac15691:g:-EMAAOSwv~RZ04Hn
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>>> It is a bad sign when undocumented stones are starting to outnumber official material.
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>>> I have seen the same thing happen in other collectable markets.
>>>
>>> What next, witnessed falls again?
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>>> Adam
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>>>> On 11/26/2017 4:17 PM, drtanuki wrote:
>>>> Adam and List,
>>>> There is also a seller from Taiwan selling fake Lunar KREEP. Buyer beware!Help this guy by "liking" his post! Thanks!
>>>> jacwon_7
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/jacwon_7/m.html?item=222713434677&hash=item33dac15235%3Ag%3AReUAAOSw2oJZ04cE&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:04 AM
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar
>>>> Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or
>>>> flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN
>>>> This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested and made official.
>>>> To me it is obvious this is not a lunar specimen but it is close enough
>>>> to fool many. Remember, a COA is worthless without official scientific
>>>> data to back it up. A recent national auction demonstrated that there
>>>> is simply no secondary market for undocumented, untested and unofficial
>>>> material.
>>>> Material like this only undermines collector confidence which is at an
>>>> all time low right now because of the amount of undocumented crap being
>>>> dumped onto the market. Fake Martian material is making a comeback as well.
>>>> Adam
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